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Post by ottawagardener on Feb 10, 2015 14:00:37 GMT -5
So someone decided to flag my genuine profile as a business/organization/public figure and Facebook forced me to convert my profile into a page so all my history was deleted. If we were friends before, I list my new profile. At any rate, I was pretty pissed and pages were partially gutted because OG was gone. It's a real problem. Anyhow more love to this place.
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Post by reed on Feb 11, 2015 5:36:52 GMT -5
I guess you shouldn't knock something before you try it but I never understood the value of facebook. I visit my friends close by, call or email the ones farther away. Hearing people at work talk, gossip and rant about "did you see so and so on facebook" creeps me out.
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Post by ottawagardener on Feb 11, 2015 10:01:57 GMT -5
It's okay and I developed a dense network of breeder friends on there but then someone or some bot flagged me as spam (for no reason by the way though my name was not my real name) and poof gone. They transformed me from a profile to a page and every post I'd ever written vanished. Played havoc on some forums.
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Post by starry on Feb 11, 2015 10:02:51 GMT -5
I pretty much use it only for gardening related activities. Got involved in a lot of breeding projects and have traded lots of seeds by using Facebook. So its definitely useful for that. The social part of it isn't really my favourite but I'm a bit of an introvert. I would be bummed if my account got cancelled though cause I would lose a lot of useful plant info.
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Post by ottawagardener on Feb 11, 2015 20:31:57 GMT -5
Thankfully starry, they reinstated me today. I'm clearly not a spammer or a cause pretending to be a person though wouldn't' that be cool to be a cause  I had to submit official id and have someone review my case. :/ A pain but in the end, my good name was cleared. |
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Post by glenn10 on Feb 11, 2015 20:57:27 GMT -5
I deleted facebook last summer as I feel it is just a big advertising scam. Anything you or anyone you searched on face book is remembered and based on your searches and habits are provided with plenty of ads and suggestions to clutter up the sides of your screen. I used it mainly for family and friends who live across country whom I never see and I did belong to the NAFEX group and also followed Josephs Garden! But you know what.. if I want to talk to family or friends I Skype or share videos/photos from my email onedrive(that way my face isn't used on an ad for hemorrhoid cream), NAFEX group wasn't all that great it was mainly people talking about common cultivated varieties with little to no fruit exploration involved, If I want to know what is happening in Josephs garden I come here! What I really miss about facebook is having the ability to now exactly what my friends and acquaintances had for breakfast or how the person who cut them off in the line at the grocery store made them feel and how much they hate all their co-workers or how much they hate their ex for cutting them off in the grocery store line up who just happens to be one of their co-workers.
Facebook delete
Ottawagardener,did you ever think of inviting the facebook friends to this forum?
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Post by nathanp on Feb 11, 2015 22:00:34 GMT -5
There are some people who overlap both here and on FB. Ottawagardener and I are both members of the Kenosha Potato Project, as are a few others who post from time to time on both.
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Post by steev on Feb 12, 2015 2:07:03 GMT -5
My only contact with FB was when my daughter led me to it; they've been spamming me ever since with " do you know blah, blah, de blah ". Feh!
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Post by PatrickW on Feb 12, 2015 2:27:19 GMT -5
Facebook is a lot like hybrid seeds. It's commercial. The company behind it manipulates you. When they don't like you anymore, or don't want to provide you the service, they don't. When it's no longer profitable, they will stop or reorganize into something that may or may not be useful, and you will likely have no alternative but to accept it.
There are many ways Facebook is a violation of your privacy.
I realize I'm probably missing some things by not using Facebook, but I'm pretty happy with my choice. I personally think it's just as important we fight to keep the Internet free, as it is that we fight for the right of free access to plant genetics.
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Post by ottawagardener on Feb 15, 2015 13:17:10 GMT -5
Yes, it's a real kicker. There are a lot of folk on Facebook that just don't come here and I don't want to loose contact with them. They aren't anywhere else that I am aware of either. I run several groups with 1000s of members (all together) plus participate in various other groups including plant breeder groups of which there is some but not total overlap with other groups. It might be kind of fun to invite people en masse here  The super frustrating thing is that people are there and that they are active there whereas other formats are slower/disintegrating though I hear you Patrick. It's a serious issue and I agree. Even this forum is not within our control really (as we know all too well). I'm open to solutions! |
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Post by zeedman on Feb 15, 2015 17:28:46 GMT -5
Yes, it's a real kicker. There are a lot of folk on Facebook that just don't come here and I don't want to loose contact with them. They aren't anywhere else that I am aware of either. I run several groups with 1000s of members (all together) plus participate in various other groups including plant breeder groups of which there is some but not total overlap with other groups. It might be kind of fun to invite people en masse here The super frustrating thing is that people are there and that they are active there whereas other formats are slower/disintegrating though I hear you Patrick. It's a serious issue and I agree. Even this forum is not within our control really (as we know all too well). I'm open to solutions! (emphasis mine) My own opinion of FB pretty much mirrors that of Patrick (can't make the link work for some reason). When I considered joining them, I found that their privacy issues exceeded my comfort level, and decided to pass. But I was reminded of the recent discussion on this board (regarding its uncertain future) when one of the other forums where I post (Gardenweb) had a sudden change of ownership last week. There were drastic changes in format, and some content (including all of our exchange lists) was lost. There are other glitches, and some may leave the forum in protest... but to focus on any of the change-over issues is to miss the point. The forum owner had already decided to drop it, and had a new owner not stepped up to save it, Gardenweb would have been lost completely. We could have just found a blank screen. For me, this has been a wake-up call. When a forum crashes, two things are lost: content, and contacts. I know of only a few who build running archives, so the loss of information could be severe. However, I think the most important aspect of a forum is the community that forms within it, and the relationships built within that meeting place. If any forum were to fail, I would lose the ability to communicate with many (if not most) of its members, unless we had previously established communication offline. I am not a fan of social networks in general, and FB in particular. However, as ottawagardener has pointed out, there is quite a bit of gardening activity taking place there. We could wish that activity was elsewhere, but it is what it is. Since some of that activity overlaps with other forums, it acts as at least a partial safety net, should a major forum crash, or go through major restructuring. Although I'm not happy with all of FB's terms of privacy, I will probably be joining myself, if only to widen my online presence, and to form alternative lines of communication. |
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Post by philagardener on Feb 15, 2015 18:39:41 GMT -5
Yes, the changeover at GW made a real mess of things there, and without any forewarning.
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Post by nicollas on Feb 16, 2015 8:09:37 GMT -5
I think that we need the data to remain free of private/commercial interest. For me that does not mean avoiding FB or Proboard but to ensure the data to remain free/libre whatever they can do. Like using non opensource software as long as it can generate opensource data format. Of course it can be more work than owning a domain name and a forum and doing maintenance (well maybe it is not more work) but we should think at tools to export data for example. Plant breeding for Permaculture is the reason why i'm on FB because it is a very great place and i've made partial exports of this content and i'm working with FB API to make a better exporting tool to ensure that the data will be "always" accessible.
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Post by PatrickW on Feb 16, 2015 11:43:39 GMT -5
For sure nothing is perfect. My making posts here is not a lot better than if I did it on Facebook.
Even my blog is under constant threat from hacking, and I suspect free speech platforms like blogs and other open source platforms may soon be a thing of the past. There may not be any practical alternatives to commercial platforms anymore.
Also, just like I'm completely in favor of gardeners dehybridizing or otherwise using the genes in hybrid seeds, I'm all in favor of everyone getting whatever they can out of the Internet, by any means.
It's still something I think we should keep talking about, and try to minimize risks where we can.
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Post by nicollas on Feb 16, 2015 12:03:36 GMT -5
Good comparison, using FB to make great connections with breeder, improving knowledge and exchanging material is much like using an hybrid to get useful genes into OP. But beware of not being trapped into the system. If the platform locks you so much that the data are not resilient, it is like using some CMS hybrids |
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I had to submit official id and have someone review my case. :/ A pain but in the end, my good name was cleared.
