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Post by hortusbrambonii on Feb 25, 2015 10:49:09 GMT -5
I have collected a few beans with 'inverted' colors (dark red, with a few light brownish stripes instead of light brownish with dark red stripes) from bag of Turkish pinto beans.
(Turkish pinto beans are a bit smaller I think than the regular ones or than Borlotti beans, and more long and less round. But the patterns are similar.)
Would you expect them to come true if I plant them or should I expect to just get the regular type as with my purple 'golden sweet' pea seeds who gave back ordinary seeds? How does this work for the few dark-red beans one can find in a bag of pinto or Borlotti beans?
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Post by oxbowfarm on Feb 25, 2015 12:43:16 GMT -5
With pinto/horticultural pattern beans the dark ones are not a trait you can select for. I suspect it is a transposon effect, but I've never read that anywhere. There are always a certain percentage in a pile of pinto beans, but the ratio seems fairly fixed. At least in my experience
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Post by hortusbrambonii on Feb 25, 2015 13:46:05 GMT -5
That's what I feared. But I know there is a type of inverted-coloing pinto beans (Alavese pinto beans) that look like that.
The beans come from the Turkish shop and aren't actually real pintos, (even if that's the only name I can make out on the bag in a non-Turkish language. They look like slightly smaller kidney beans with a pinto-like 'painted' pattern on them, and seem to have quite a diversity among them is you look good (there's a few without any painting to them in the bag too...) so I hoped the inverse painting could be saved throughout further generations...
Alas my camera is broken and I can't photograph them now to show you.
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Post by darrenabbey on Feb 25, 2015 23:49:37 GMT -5
It does behave like a transposon. A couple years ago I grew out a batch of dark inverted beans like that. All of the resulting seeds were light colored.
This won't stop me from growing a batch of inverted dark beans I recently pulled from a bag of mixed beans from an asian market (https://www.flickr.com/photos/darrenabbey/16027946384/).
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Post by hortusbrambonii on Feb 26, 2015 2:33:30 GMT -5
Mine are colored like the left ones on your picture; and I like the coloring much more than regular pinto-patterns.
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Post by darrenabbey on Feb 26, 2015 5:07:10 GMT -5
I agree. I keep hoping to find one where the 'inverted' state is more heritable.
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Post by galina on Mar 20, 2015 1:40:39 GMT -5
I agree. I keep hoping to find one where the 'inverted' state is more heritable. Isn't it strange that the inverted one is always darker? |
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