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Post by kyredneck on May 15, 2015 8:52:53 GMT -5
...likely really dumb ones rooted in wishful thinking. I just erected these trellises last weekend and would looove for this to be a 'permanent bean patch', i.e., the trellises remain fixed where they are.
Left and right trellises have pole beans, middle trellis has vining field peas:
How to meet rotation requirements for next year? Can pole beans simply be planted on different sides of the trellis each year? Can pole beans be rotated with field peas?
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Post by flowerweaver on May 15, 2015 11:07:35 GMT -5
I have gotten by with using the same trellis for my Lima beans, but to combat the extra nitrogen I haul new topsoil up from the creek each year and build a hill. When I haven't done that elsewhere in the past I got all leaves and no beans. I am facing the same issue with my bean field, heavy with infrastructure. Even more problematic than moving the trellis for us is having to re-do all the irrigation lines each year. I'm sort of wondering if I can just plant the corn in between the trellises and leave them there. It would certainly add some anti-lodging protection! These beans were planted after the cowpeas, which were planted after the corn. They are blooming so I think the nitrogen level won't be an issue. However, all this rain we are getting isn't helping.  |
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Post by kyredneck on May 15, 2015 11:32:24 GMT -5
Ah, the nitrogen level is the issue, and not disease? I hadn't thought of that. Somewhere, someone I met regularly rotated beans with peas with no problems that I'm aware of. hmmmm I've thought the same thing, the trellises may do the corn some good. hmmmm I'd think a S Tex gal wouldn't be complaining about rain....  |
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Post by kyredneck on May 15, 2015 11:55:22 GMT -5
Well Sage, you just really busted my bubble. I was just sure I was gonna be able to at least rotate field peas with pole beans. ...dagnabit...
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Post by templeton on May 15, 2015 17:30:06 GMT -5
I leave my trellises up semi permanently. I put the trellis toward the back side of the bed allowing access via the front if I'm growing something else. Alternatively I just cable tie the trellis panels on - easy to cut the panel off it's in the way in later seasons. I can work around the posts. My soils are always low in N, so no problem there for me. The trellis is good for tomatoes, then cucurbits, then beans, peas, I don't grow corn. Use the front of the row for roots, herbs, greens & brassicas. Nothing much will do well in front of a row of full grown tomatoes, tho. I usually plant these with early basil or lettuce for eating as the toms grow, then leave them empty. I work my beds hard - the day i pull a crop is usually the day it gets replanted. My beds are on a slope facing north east = southern hemisphere morning sun, raised at the front and sides with railroad sleepers = ties, 1 metre = 40 inches wide. Posts for trellis go in about 150 mm =6 inches from south side of bed (southern hemisphere)next to brick path. This gives a bit of room for crop plants to climb trellis without encroaching on walking space. Also allows working of most of the bed with only a thin strip under trellis. I get a bit of overshadowing, so need to be strategic in arranging plantings esp in autumn/winter when the sun is low. beds are in transition, so looking pretty messy. (I feel like an apologetic home owner with undone housework and unexpected guests...) 1 autumn peas at back, lettuce in front 2 beans finishing, basil leeks in front 3 trellis removed, parsley in front 4 leeks going to seed, peppers in front, dead squash at end of trellis     |
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Post by flowerweaver on May 15, 2015 18:17:54 GMT -5
kyredneck I love the rain, but after three weeks of this moss is starting to grow behind my ears! I think we've had about 16 inches so far this year, which is spectacular. Last night's fun: 
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Post by philagardener on May 15, 2015 20:46:14 GMT -5
Wow - that is a lot of rain flowerweaver . Has that root cellar turned into a swimming pool yet? |
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Post by flowerweaver on May 16, 2015 9:13:42 GMT -5
I plant my bush beans in furrows to capture what little rain that does fall. So they really have wet feet and haven't seen the sun for more than 15 minutes in the last couple weeks. They are looking lighter green than normal, but many have begun blooming so I think they will be fine. philagardener I've been afraid to look, I'm sure it will have to be pumped out again! Our road has been closed twice in the past week because the river was too fast and high over the crossing, and our dry creek flood took out my experimental tepary bean project. If the Puebloans grow them in washes they must not have the velocity of water that can come through mine. I really need a couple of zip lines to get across to my chickens and fields when this happens. Here's a video after four inches fell in one hour:  For scale, this is what the limestone drops look like dry:  |
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Post by philagardener on May 16, 2015 14:50:50 GMT -5
That's a lot of water!
Kept waiting for the zip line action, but then reread and see that is only a planned development!
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Post by 12540dumont on May 19, 2015 13:09:07 GMT -5
We do rotate our crops, however, since we can only do peas in the spring, we do beans that same summer, on those same trellis. That's a one year legume rotation. Peas/Beans don't get to be on those trellis' for 3 more years.
peas/beans followed by corn, potatoes/tomatoes/peppers/eggplants, climbing cukes/zukes/melons. My problem is that I need a lot more space for corn & the nightshade family. These crops eat acreage. Since my trellis are very tall and very hard to move. I end up doing pole beans only once every 3 years. I do bush beans for 3 out of 4 seasons. Also, if I don't move the trellis....weeds try to take up residence. I also have a permanent bean host, the runner beans. I can only move these if I dig up the baskets the roots are in when they are dormant.
I love the wire, but it's tough to clean up at the end of the season.
Like Templeton, I also have a host of wires and posts that I zip tie up for one season. To squeak in some Lima's or Romano Beans.
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Post by steev on May 19, 2015 20:12:02 GMT -5
I also zip-tie my trellis-wire to posts, so much faster up/down than wire ties; further, having roto-tilled the wire a couple times, I now mount it 9" above the ground, which also facilitates ripping the weeds that would otherwise flourish along the off-side, jeering.
I mostly follow whatever legumes were trellised with tomatoes or cukes that need trellising, not wanting to move trellis for lack of time on-site, as well as valuing the shade those provide.
When I'm more on-site, no doubt I'll move my trellises and bats will fly out fundamentally, too.
Actually, I've got to install more trellis ASAP, so I can plant the plethora of limas that Holly sent me.
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