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Post by templeton on Jul 1, 2015 21:31:09 GMT -5
Are these the same variety? RdC is available here, but haven't seen CdM. One Canadian website suggests they are. And are the pods on CdM bigger than say Mammoth Melting or Yakumo?
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Jul 1, 2015 23:56:29 GMT -5
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Post by templeton on Jul 2, 2015 1:20:41 GMT -5
OK, another cross on the way...
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Post by ferdzy on Jul 3, 2015 20:09:31 GMT -5
Ha, ha, that was my post. A few comments since I originally wrote about them. I find they freeze fairly well, for a snow pea. Also, there seem to be inflated pods and close-fitting pods in amongst mine. Last year I saved seeds from just the close-fitting ones; we will see what happens with seed this year (it will be a while before they are far along enough to tell).
Templeton, what are you thinking of crossing them with? I was thinking of crossing them with Spanish Skyscraper (late shelling pea, also dries extremely well for soup) or 1st and Best #2, which is an extremely obscure shelling pea, with small mild peas only 6 to a pod, but also very indeterminate and productive. I'd sort of like to have a pea that was good for everything: greens, snow, snap, shelling and dried... probably not but fun to think about.
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Post by templeton on Jul 3, 2015 20:45:57 GMT -5
ferdzy, I'm working on a number of coloured snowpea lines. Improving the flavour and size of the pods is an unending quest. Adding the biggest podded snow i can find is smart. Like you, a 'Universal Pea' would be great. Carol Deppe reckons Oregon Giant Sugar comes close - a snow when pods are small, but still sweet with no fibre when the pods fill. I've been checking for seed of that line here, but can't find it under that name. Sellers here have Oregon Giant, Oregon Giant 'Snowman', and a leaflet from the Ag Dept says Oregon Giant = Snowman, but then their description of the plant is totally wrong. And when i grew it, it wasn't very productive for me. I think I need to do another big trial, but no room. T
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Post by ferdzy on Jul 4, 2015 8:36:36 GMT -5
Yeah, room is an issue. We are growing a lot of different peas this year and now I am realizing that saving seed will be really hard because I have so little of any one thing and I do want to eat some of them, okay quite a lot of them actually. Also our 3 mothers (yeah, I know, but really) are worse than raccoons when it comes to shelling peas. We just can't get them into the snow or snap peas, and we just can't grow enough shelling peas for them.
I had a go at doing some crossing this morning. We'll see. Last year was the first time I tried it and nothing took, or if it did the slugs got those pods before they could develop. I tried Spanish Skyscraper X Carouby de Maussane, Spanish Skyscraper X 1st & Best #2, and 1st & Best #2 X Mrs Van. I am growing out Dual X Spanish Skyscraper which showed up as a natural cross last year. They are F2 this year but they seem surprisingly uniform.
Forgot to say: Yeah, I imagine Roi de Carouby is the same as Carouby de Maussane, and yeah, it would be a good addition to your breeding if you are looking for large pods. Like I said, they also freeze the best of any snow pea I have tried so far. Most of them just get so limp and soggy. These are tender, but manage to retain a little texture somehow.
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Jul 7, 2015 20:09:01 GMT -5
Also, there seem to be inflated pods and close-fitting pods in amongst mine. Last year I saved seeds from just the close-fitting ones; we will see what happens with seed this year. Thats what i did with "dwarf gray sugar" i got from seed savers exchange. Although i prefer to spell it as grey with an e. I only saved seed from pods that were constricted. I am growing them out this year. I have attempted a few crosses with them as well. I was under the impression that the constricted pods meant less fiber, but perhaps im mistaken. Does anyone know more about the fiberless genes? |
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Post by galina on Jul 10, 2015 1:31:15 GMT -5
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Jul 10, 2015 3:27:51 GMT -5
Galina,
I'm interested to know how CdM tastes compared to Bijou. They look about the same pod wise, but seeds are slightly different, but not a lot. I have both side by side, and if i can grow more peas this fall i will also grow Alan Kapuler's Green Beauty.
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Post by robertb on Jul 10, 2015 9:07:24 GMT -5
I found them similar. What about other people?
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Post by galina on Jul 11, 2015 1:39:14 GMT -5
Galina, I'm interested to know how CdM tastes compared to Bijou. They look about the same pod wise, but seeds are slightly different, but not a lot. I have both side by side, and if i can grow more peas this fall i will also grow Alan Kapuler's Green Beauty. You can always tell Bijou apart from CdM because the mature pods get a distinctly yellow hue. Here they are also very slightly longer in the pod and a little softer (less fibre in the pod). Flavour wise I can't detect great differences. To answer Templeton's earlier question, my MMS have never been in the 'giant' class, both Bijou and CdM are. I never had the full 7 inch pod length myself, but others have quoted this, especially for early pods. I don't know Yakumo. |
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