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Post by galina on Aug 17, 2015 16:43:11 GMT -5
They must have imported some of the seed, Ray. Heard a whisper that someone was bringing them in. They would have needed a phytosanitary, which only a big house could really afford. T That was interesting. Went on Fothergill's Aussie website to look at that photo. Whereas the Brit version always shows a fully purple Shiraz, this one looks like the actual Shiraz, which is partially purple but with pretty good coverage. Just my luck trying to breed a fully red mangetout from Shiraz ........... no idea why they spell it differently though. |
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Post by raymondo on Aug 19, 2015 7:13:37 GMT -5
Shiraz would make an excellent start for a solid purple mangetout/snowpea. I've got some lines of solid purple bred from Capucijner but the pods remain stubbornly fibrous and the flavour is pretty poor. I'll keep looking though I'm beginning to think a backcross to a good snowpea might be necessary. Are you working with Shiraz galina? |
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Post by templeton on Aug 19, 2015 15:26:28 GMT -5
Shiraz would make an excellent start for a solid purple mangetout/snowpea. I've got some lines of solid purple bred from Capucijner but the pods remain stubbornly fibrous and the flavour is pretty poor. I'll keep looking though I'm beginning to think a backcross to a good snowpea might be necessary. Are you working with Shiraz galina? Don't rush off and buy them Ray, I'm just doing a germination test. Check the post next week;) I must say mine look nicer   I remember you weren't overly impressed with the snowpea parent of this line, Chamber of Death, but there are two more independent purple snows on the way, Heather, based on Yakumo, and Delta Dusk, based on David Murray's Delta Louisa; just doing a seed increase at the moment. Feel like running a comparison trial for me? T |
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Post by galina on Aug 20, 2015 7:37:03 GMT -5
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Post by galina on Aug 20, 2015 11:31:15 GMT -5
I would agree with you Templeton. They look great.
Shiraz is also an awkward size. Not a small pea and not a tall one, a medium sized one with a tendency to spread and sprawl but all these side shoots go along the ground and are difficult to tie in.
All my own peas are tall, simply because that is so much easier and more productive. But it is not for everyone.
Raymondo, yes one of my next steps is to cross my fully red F2 shelling pea with some of my own mangetouts and snaps and (haven't fully planned yet) one of the partially red mangetouts with good red covering is also a candidate. At the moment I am growing out the red sheller to see whether there will be any mangetouts segregating out in the F3. Fingers crossed I will be able to complete this test. It is only a small batch so nothing lost if not, but if the weather is kind to us any recessive fully red mangetout showing itself would be wonderful.
Sorry for sidetracking your thread Templeton. I shall read with great interest about your other purples and please keep the photos coming.
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Post by raymondo on Aug 23, 2015 2:01:26 GMT -5
... Feel like running a comparison trial for me? T Be more than happy to. What would you like me to do? What is Shiraz like? Sweet? Does it get fibrous with age? |
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Post by templeton on Aug 23, 2015 2:12:37 GMT -5
... Feel like running a comparison trial for me? T Be more than happy to. What would you like me to do? Would you grow out a half dozen or so plants each of Jupiter, Heather, and Delta Dusk, my purple snows, and Joni's Taxi, my yellow snow? Would like to know what you think, in terms of eating quality and growth and productivity - and perhaps variability. I could send you a standard, maybe Yakumo or one of the Oregons as a control. T |
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Post by raymondo on Aug 23, 2015 2:18:26 GMT -5
No problem templeton. In fact, I'm trialling a some green snows so will have Yakumo and Oregon Giant in any way. |
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Post by templeton on Aug 23, 2015 2:24:12 GMT -5
Sounds good Ray. Same address? Might send some to Jupiter in SA as well.
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Post by raymondo on Aug 23, 2015 2:29:25 GMT -5
Yes, same address. Won't be moving for a while yet though the peas, and everything else, will be planted at the farm.
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Post by oxbowfarm on Aug 26, 2015 21:07:31 GMT -5
I agree with keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) assessment of Shiraz. Very weak plants with poor flavor. The only nice thing is they are very easy to pick, the pods are extremely visible. |
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Post by templeton on Aug 26, 2015 22:57:41 GMT -5
I've just been in the greenhouse assessing red mangetout F1s, looking for dominant purples, and pod and peduncle size. And yellow mangetout F7s with the same size characterisitcs for a backcross to my hypertendril yellow snow F2 growouts. These F2s might not need a backcross, since the pods are still too tiny to test for flavour and fibre, but the F7s (Joni's Taxi) are in full swing, and I thought I would do a cross to the single dwarf yellow hypertendril F2 that has shown up, just in case when i finally assess it , it needs a new injection of low fiber genes and there is no F7 pollen available. Which is a long way of getting round to saying I'm selecting/backcrossing for superlong peduncles. Am I only one to notice, or think of, the idea that really long peduncles that hold the pods way out from the foliage is a good idea? How come most varieties have really short ones? Am I missing something?
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Post by templeton on Aug 27, 2015 3:10:57 GMT -5
A 1/4 purple long peduncle F1  |
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Post by raymondo on Aug 27, 2015 3:39:28 GMT -5
Anything that makes pods more visible is good in my books. Any doubles with the longer peduncle?
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Post by philagardener on Aug 27, 2015 6:19:35 GMT -5
Not that those beautiful pods are hard to see, by any stretch of the imagination, but having them carry further out is nice, as is the two pod per node trait.
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