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Post by mcool61 on Aug 13, 2015 22:22:30 GMT -5
I've been planting a russian tomato of some kind for the last few years so really not sure what it is nor do I know anything of the parentage. It is kind of like a large orange slicer with green shoulders & regular leaves however there are a few hearts also. One of the larger ones was 1 lb 11 oz. & barely fertilized them & have fairly poor soil so I was surprised at the size of some of them. I planted approximately 100 & culled down to 50 of which around 40 survived. I noticed one plant was different. Later it put on smaller orange paste type tomatoes. The interior was meaty & red despite the orange exterior. They were also a few weeks earlier than the rest. I had kind of settled on it being an accidental hybrid of some kind however I got to thinking, if that is the case why aren't there more of them? Seems like out of 40 plants I'd have a few more of the odd ones if there was a cross. What do you think? Probably a hybrid?
I'm going to plant several next year to see what comes of it. I may wind up with super grandpa's landrage paste tomato.
The grandkids exhibit unusual intelligence & wisdom by the way. I believe that is why I'm known as super grandpa. Landrage was a misspelling but I like that better anyway.
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Post by steev on Aug 14, 2015 0:11:29 GMT -5
Let's hope the grandkids don't decide to cull you; landrage sounds rather irritable.
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Post by imgrimmer on Aug 14, 2015 7:44:04 GMT -5
I screen my tomato patch for such kind of plants. over the years I have managed to find some resistance to early blight and have a way earlier harvest as I started with.
In any case it is worth to save seeds of it. My guess is it could be a hybrid, it happened more often as you think at least in my tomato patch.
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Post by blueadzuki on Aug 14, 2015 15:34:31 GMT -5
I think all of us who have grown tomatoes for a while have a few of those. Somewhere, deep in the recesses of the miniature file cabinet I store tomato seeds in is presumably seed from the very first Black Krim I grew, literally ages ago. At the time I saved it because I was just starting out with tomatoes and it was then the only Black Krim I had. However as the years have gone by and I saw additional Krim's I realized that one was most likely a sport/hybrid, since the base color under the green overlay was orange, rather than the normal purply pinky red (in other words, it was a brown tomato instead of a black one) Someday, If I find it, I'll have to see if the seed is still viable, and if the color comes true.
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Post by steev on Aug 18, 2015 23:35:40 GMT -5
In things that might cross, it's always an adventure, and well worth taking on, for curiosity's sake. We live not just by produce, but also by "what is that?".
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Post by reed on Aug 28, 2015 7:42:57 GMT -5
Much more fun that reading endless descriptions in seed books about how something tastes or grows and the almost certain disappointment that results when it don't quite turn out that way. Probably the best tomato I ever grew came up volunteer and produced huge amounts of tennis ball sized fruits. It completely smothered everything within a 5 x 5 foot area. I think it was F2 of Early Girl, I'll never know what might have come from it because I lived in the pre-forum dark ages back then and not only didn't save seeds but destroyed it's next season volunteers.
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Post by oxbowfarm on Aug 28, 2015 8:36:43 GMT -5
I've been planting a russian tomato of some kind for the last few years so really not sure what it is nor do I know anything of the parentage. It is kind of like a large orange slicer with green shoulders & regular leaves however there are a few hearts also. One of the larger ones was 1 lb 11 oz. & barely fertilized them & have fairly poor soil so I was surprised at the size of some of them. I planted approximately 100 & culled down to 50 of which around 40 survived. I noticed one plant was different. Later it put on smaller orange paste type tomatoes. The interior was meaty & red despite the orange exterior. They were also a few weeks earlier than the rest. I had kind of settled on it being an accidental hybrid of some kind however I got to thinking, if that is the case why aren't there more of them? Seems like out of 40 plants I'd have a few more of the odd ones if there was a cross. What do you think? Probably a hybrid? I'm going to plant several next year to see what comes of it. I may wind up with super grandpa's landrage paste tomato. The grandkids exhibit unusual intelligence & wisdom by the way. I believe that is why I'm known as super grandpa. Landrage was a misspelling but I like that better anyway. I'd say it was a cross. Depending on how the flowers are structured on your russian tomato, it may have stigmas that are fully or partially occluded by the anther cone, many tomato varieties do. So the percentages of crossed seeds to selfed seeds in a fruit would tend to skew towards selfing even it you have a lot of bee activity. 1 in 40 is not out of the question. It could very well be a sport, but crosses are much easier and more frequent than sports. |
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Post by mcool61 on Aug 28, 2015 19:58:30 GMT -5
It was a little earlier & had a nice meaty red interior so I saved some seed. I'll see what comes out of it next year.
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Post by gunnmarit on Oct 18, 2015 11:46:05 GMT -5
I will cross my fingers for you.
It sounds like a good plant.
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Post by richardw on Oct 18, 2015 13:43:48 GMT -5
I think some people tend to get more crossing than others, apart from having some plants yielding lower volumes i can remember having noticed any crosses or sports,because i have to net my tomatoes to keep out the black birds maybe thats the reason, even though standard sized bees can get through the bumble bee cant.
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Post by mcool61 on Nov 6, 2015 22:03:06 GMT -5
I will cross my fingers for you. It sounds like a good plant. Thanks... It will be interesting to see how it develops next year. Too bad you have to wait a year for results. I like things that are a little out of the ordinary & I've never seen an orange paste tomato with a red/pink interior plus after reading Josephs philosophy about landraces I'm excited to see something develop in my garden. I'm going to plant several of them hoping for several that produce similar to the first one. It was surrounded by the 40 other plants which came out different but the timing of the blooms was significantly earlier for the orange paste so I'm hoping a lot of the early ones were self pollinated.. |
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Post by mcool61 on Nov 6, 2015 22:06:42 GMT -5
I think some people tend to get more crossing than others, apart from having some plants yielding lower volumes i can remember having noticed any crosses or sports,because i have to net my tomatoes to keep out the black birds maybe thats the reason, even though standard sized bees can get through the bumble bee cant. I've never netted the blooms although I was considering it. I may net a few of the developing landrace next year just to make sure I have more offspring like the original. I'm less concerned with seed purity than I used to be. I blame Joseph.  |
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Post by richardw on Nov 6, 2015 23:59:57 GMT -5
Yes he's got a lot to answer for hey  |
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Post by blueadzuki on Dec 29, 2015 21:10:45 GMT -5
I have a volunteer pulgging along in a pot in my house at the moment. Dont know how cold hardy it is, but I do know it must be genetically programmed to grow with little help and ridiculously fast (it went from too small to notice when I went to harvest my last alliums to a fairly big plant with flowers when I was next over there, and we are talking about a maximum time of three to four weeks.) No fruit set yet (with it inside, I may actually have to look up how to pollinate tomato flowers by hand)
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Post by paquebot on Jan 2, 2016 23:54:27 GMT -5
Cold winters are no factor in tomato seed survival. Freezing tomato seeds is the only certain way that they may be saved a day less than forever.
Martin
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