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Post by Alan on Mar 12, 2008 22:05:12 GMT -5
So, I was thinking about things that I have yet to experience hybridizing and white cucumbers come to mind. The reason I'm thinking of white cucumbers is because I absolutely love them and goodness knows there are plenty of green types.
If a person were to breed a few white cucumbers and you are the type of person to grow them, what would you like to see accomplished in the breeding and selections stages?
Any notes would be helpfull. The more detailed the better.
-Alan
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Post by skip on Mar 15, 2008 3:56:31 GMT -5
Hi Alan - great flavor and resistance to diseases, especially mildew which ruins the vines before the season ends.
Skip
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Post by Jim on Mar 15, 2008 7:57:20 GMT -5
I'd love to more variety. A smaller bush type that yielded smaller "pickle" sized fruits.
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Post by Jim on Mar 15, 2008 7:58:04 GMT -5
maybe cross hmong red into a white and see what results...that would be interesting.
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Post by canadamike on Mar 16, 2008 0:06:02 GMT -5
Alan, LIST has introduced disease resistance into Boothby's Blonde, as you probably know, and new and better would be great . White Long BWR, a WLONG crossed with Myanmar no 17, a cuke resistant to B.WILT and PMILDEW , from SSE.I have grown the original and had no disease, but the improvement may be good too and there is also a white asian somewhere, I would have to look it up. There might also be something interesting in the mass-cross I sent you of Boothby's Blonde, Beit Alpha and Petit Vert de Paris, who knows?
A long english style white would probably create a buzz, it has not been done as far as I know.
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Post by grungy on Mar 16, 2008 16:46:57 GMT -5
I second Clarkbar - small, bush type with pickle sized cukes, with good flavor.
Cheers,
Val /grungy
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Post by Alan on Mar 16, 2008 17:16:19 GMT -5
Thanks for the advice, between the stuff that I saved seed from the past couple of years and the stuff from Michael and from LISP I should have plenty to work with and select from, I will take all advice into consideration during crossing and selection work this year.
-Alan
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Post by canadamike on Mar 16, 2008 18:34:18 GMT -5
Grungy, Boothby's Blonde almost fit that bill. It is a pickle, and although not officially a bush, does not take much space in a garden, at least the strain I grow. And the new disease resistant version at LISP should prove very interesting. There is also a miniature white, I think, in the SSE catalog
Michel
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Post by tomc on Mar 28, 2008 15:37:33 GMT -5
If anything a white that produces a cuke a little faster would be nice, Bush or climber I don't care if'n its OP. White wonder is slow.
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Post by Alan on Mar 28, 2008 23:01:43 GMT -5
I will definetly be working on this this year! I agree the whites do seem very slow to produce, always being much latter season than the normal green types.
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Post by raymondo on Apr 27, 2008 16:40:57 GMT -5
A powdery mildew resistant white pickler, that would be good. Personally, I prefer the vining types but bush is good too.
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Post by canadamike on Apr 27, 2008 17:45:30 GMT -5
On the subject of slow white cucumberI am getting a white from Manitoba this next week, EPHRAIM HALL, a family heirloom from there. Manitoba being where it is, I can hardly imagine it being that slow, their '' cucurbit summer'' is so friggin short, this is zone 2-3 after all, I will see if it is early enough for our friend Alan, better, I'll e-mail Tanya at Heritage Harvest Seeds. Bean lovers, you should chek out her collection, including a MUSHROOM TASTING BEAN ( and a recipe).
I already see Alan scratching the roof of his room while sleeping... ;D
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Post by johno on Apr 28, 2008 11:33:32 GMT -5
CMV resistance would be my first concern with any cuke.
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Post by Alan on Apr 28, 2008 17:25:02 GMT -5
Thanks for the updates and suggestiong Johno and Mike. I will be working hard with some of these white types and various crosses therof this summer and in coming years. For those that don't know, I very much prefer the white skinned varieties to the green skinned kind, the only downsides of course being low productivty and nearly zero disease tolerance, though Ken Ettlinger was nice enough to send me some segregating seed of a crose between Market More 97 and Boothby's Blonde which I think will show much promise, of course there will still be room for even more productive and disease resistant lines.
Mike, when you grow those seeds out be sure to set some aside for me for future growouts friend!
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Post by canadamike on Apr 28, 2008 22:21:11 GMT -5
Alan, I would never do that ;D ;D
More seriously, I can ship them asap when I get them. Along with some other rare stuff I just got, so you can include it this year. Even if they end up later than the others because planted after, the male flowers should get out in a timely fashion at the very least...and we get ours out in 5 weeks and grow plenty, so you should be OK!
Michel
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