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Post by kazedwards on Jun 5, 2016 14:39:08 GMT -5
I should have plenty of Chesnok Red Bulbils. I actually still have 100s if not 1000s of bulbils from last year. So far all of my plants have produced TGS. Right now I have second year bulbils growing and a few have scapes. So 2-3 years for bulbs. More than happy to send you some now or fresh ones when the time comes. I do have a plant from TGS producing a scape but I'm not sure about what I will get or how many bulbils I will get from it.
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Post by paquebot on Jun 5, 2016 22:53:23 GMT -5
I suspect that you've got a good idea who might have some Martin's. I've got over 300 plants. I've been offering that on other forums as both bulbs and bulbils. If only bulbils involved, I'd prefer sending perhaps 100 large and 100 medium just for postage and padded envelope cost.
Martin
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Post by kazedwards on Jun 5, 2016 23:01:13 GMT -5
Martin, would if be too much to ask for a few too?
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Post by kazedwards on Jun 6, 2016 19:40:48 GMT -5
kazedwards stated: " I should have plenty of Chesnok Red Bulbils. I actually still have 100s if not 1000s of bulbils from last year. So far all of my plants have produced TGS. Right now I have second year bulbils growing and a few have scapes. So 2-3 years for bulbs. More than happy to send you some now or fresh ones when the time comes. I do have a plant from TGS producing a scape but I'm not sure about what I will get or how many bulbils I will get from it." Response: I had already been thinking about contacting you privately, as I have changed my mind regarding the possibility of acquiring Chesnok Red bulbils from you. As mentioned in our other discussions I have not been interested due to my own lack of success regarding my Chesnok Red bulbs sizing up before I lost them all in 2012, but the fact is that you are having such wonderful success in getting true seed from this variety that I now want to reacquire for true seed experiments more than for bulb harvest. Also, if you end up getting any bulbils from plants grown from true seed I would be very interested in any quantity of them as well, even if you could just spare a couple. I will contact you privately regarding details, but it may be a day or two before I get a message sent out. I look forward to your message! I agree Chesnok Red does not size up the best. The biggest I have grown was 2" but they have 8-10 smaller cloves. Have you grown the kohlrabi that I sent you? |
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Post by reed on Jun 6, 2016 20:03:59 GMT -5
I don't know what my garlic is since I found it in the woods nor do I know how big it gets if properly cultivated. At harvest time I'll post pictures and if nothing else maybe you folks can identify it and if it sparks your interest you are welcome to have some.
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Post by paquebot on Jun 6, 2016 20:20:00 GMT -5
Yes, I am the Martin of "Martin's Heirloom". First planted it on 28 April, 1983. Purchased simply as unnamed garlic bulbils at a time when few even know how to grow garlic. Packet said product of the Netherlands and growing instructions were to plant 4 or 5 inches deep. I knew that had to be wrong as someone didn't convert 4 or 5 cm to inches. I correctly figured that anything over 2 inches was not right. Planted 100 bulbils and got 100 bulbs. For at least the next 12 years or so, only saved the largest bulbils and planted them back in the spring. Information on garlic growing was slim to none. Connected to Internet in 1999 and even then there wasn't much for the home gardener. Now there's tons of it and only half is any good.
Martin
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Post by zeedman on Jun 7, 2016 22:21:33 GMT -5
Tom, I still have some bulbils from a "feral" garlic in the field adjacent to my garden... probably from over-developed scapes thrown there in years past. The bulbils are mostly pea-sized or slightly larger, in clusters of 10 or so. They have impressed me with their longevity, having survived in my basement since August of last year, while all other bulbils stored with them have deteriorated. I have yet to identify the variety, but will be watching the scapes closely this year. There are well over 100 bulbils at present, don't know if there would still be time to do anything productive, but you are welcome to them... or I could send 100+ fresh bulbils later this year.
Of the varieties you listed, I have #'s 3, 5, and 8... but I do not grow enough of any single variety to produce the quantities of bulbils that you are looking for. I would be happy to send you smaller amounts (perhaps 20-30) if you are unable to find them elsewhere. I also grow several large rocamboles that you might be interested in; Special Idaho, Vic's, and Old Homestead. I could grow bulbils for those, but again, it would only be 20-30.
I might have found a source for Wisconsin German Red, send me a PM. If it is substantially different than German Red, I may want to do a trial myself.
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Post by reed on Jun 8, 2016 4:05:36 GMT -5
Here is what the scapes look like.  Here is bulb chopped in two.  The bulbils are roundish, larger than BBs, smaller than marbles. I'm pretty sure it has never produced to it's real potential in my care, I read that removing the scapes makes for larger cloves to plant, is that so? [add] What does "Rocambole" mean in regards to garlic? |
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Post by philagardener on Jun 8, 2016 5:43:08 GMT -5
I generally remove scapes from my varieties, but have read that a few varieties may do better with them left on. I'd try a few each way and see what happens. www.filareefarm.com/roc.html has a good description of Rocambole garlics. Scape coiling seems a distinct character of that group, so your variety would be included. |
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Post by reed on Jul 12, 2016 5:00:00 GMT -5
Bulbils on mine are bigger than they have ever been and they are starting to crowd each other off. Maybe it's cause I took a little better care of it than I ever have although the biggest bulbils are on some volunteers.
The leaves have mostly died down so I guess it's time to dig it up and let it cure for awhile?
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Post by kazedwards on Jul 12, 2016 11:24:15 GMT -5
I leave all the plants with a scape in the ground until the umbels dry. I have heard of people cutting the scape off and then putting it in a bucket of water but I have not tried it. The only plants I might dig up before the umbels dry down are Reed Indiana Homestead because I think I waited to long to remove the bulbils. Not sure if the flowers will produce anything. The flowers seem like they would produce TGS but might need to be remove at the same time you did yours. They also opened earlier than Chesnok Red by two weeks.
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Post by reed on Jul 12, 2016 12:10:23 GMT -5
This last hot dry spell has dried up not quite all but most of the leaves on mine but there is still some green in the umbels and the bulbils are still red and juicy. I think I'l give it just another couple days and hang it up under the east porch.
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Post by paquebot on Jul 12, 2016 20:15:50 GMT -5
My garlic came out of the ground 2 days ago. After somewhat drying, scapes were cut off today. Most were cut at about 18". They are now in a 5-gallon bucket to finish developing and curing. The bulb ends still have about a foot of stalk and all in open clothes baskets. They'll stay there for a couple weeds before being trimmed down to just bulbs. Overall, happy with the results despite being short on rainfall.
Martin
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Post by reed on Jul 12, 2016 21:25:06 GMT -5
I went ahead and pulled mine up this evening. It's hanging in bundles on the porch. I didn't know about letting the scapes finish in water so I'll do that in a day or two.
[add] I left some plants to their own devices as insurance, they have done OK that way for twenty years in my garden and probably a 100 years or more down where I originally found it. Most of my bulbs are mediocre in size but a half dozen or so are as large as any you see at the store.
I'm gonna try to raise a nice crop next year but look forward to seeing what folks who know what they are doing can get out it. I already have some set aside for a couple of people but have plenty of bulbils to share with others too.
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Post by paquebot on Jul 13, 2016 9:09:16 GMT -5
I'll add another odd umbel behavior in addition to doubles and that is Medusa. The sheath never develops and there are green "snakes" up to an inch long all over it. It always larger than a normal umbel, the bulbils are larger, and the whole plant shorter. I had 5 such plants out of 300+ Martin's this year plus several unknown volunteers. When collecting bulbils, I've never kept them separate and nobody has ever reported an unusual amount of Medusas.
This is also not restricted to rocambole as I've also seen it in porcelain and purple stripe. With the smaller bulbils, and seemingly a "snake" for each one, they appear to be a solid green ball when growing.
Martin
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