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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Mar 21, 2017 0:32:13 GMT -5
I recently google'd Black GMO free soybeans or something like that, and i found a place in Utah that sells GMO free black soybeans. I have no idea if I'm going to try growing any or what i will end up doing with it, but i got some just in case. www.wheatgrasskits.com/sprouting/black_soybean_beans.htmI remembered that i had a bag of non-GMO black soybeans somewhere so i was planning on planting them this year. But i can't find them. I have a sneaking suspicion that i sent them off to someone a few years back, but if i did i can't remember who. Anyone get these from me and grow them out? Anyone still growing black soybeans? Joseph Lofthouse, did i by chance send them to you when you had mentioned that soybeans were not a project you had tried yet? ...hmm.. maybe i should just order them again. |
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Post by steev on Mar 21, 2017 0:41:45 GMT -5
Yes! "Where are those seeds": my too-frequent refrain; second verse: "pretty sure I had them". OMG! If I ever get my shit together, I'll be dangerous.
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Mar 21, 2017 2:20:45 GMT -5
Yes! "Where are those seeds": my too-frequent refrain; second verse: "pretty sure I had them". OMG! If I ever get my shit together, I'll be dangerous. I really aught to modify my search routine... After I look where the seeds should be, or could be expected, and they ain't there, then I should go look in the freezer. Cause I often get frustrated that I can't find seeds, and I tear the place apart looking for them, and finally give up, only to find them in the freezer next time I put seeds in to kill insects.  |
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Post by zeedman on Apr 1, 2017 17:29:42 GMT -5
I recently google'd Black GMO free soybeans or something like that, and i found a place in Utah that sells GMO free black soybeans. I have no idea if I'm going to try growing any or what i will end up doing with it, but i got some just in case. www.wheatgrasskits.com/sprouting/black_soybean_beans.htmI remembered that i had a bag of non-GMO black soybeans somewhere so i was planning on planting them this year. But i can't find them. I have a sneaking suspicion that i sent them off to someone a few years back, but if i did i can't remember who. Anyone get these from me and grow them out? Anyone still growing black soybeans? Joseph Lofthouse , did i by chance send them to you when you had mentioned that soybeans were not a project you had tried yet? ...hmm.. maybe i should just order them again. I have: Hei Pi Qing Rang (this is black w/green cotyledons) Hokkaido Black PI 522192A Rouest 13 A1 2 (very early) Rouest 117 (fairly high oil content) Selection No. 505 (small seeded, semi-wild) SY 9514014 Ta Li Tsao Shen Wu Tou (very early) Tai Xing Hei Dou Black Pearl (edamame, but very old seed) Chances are that any black soybeans you find will not be GM, since breeding has mostly been done with yellow-seeded types. Just curious... why the interest in this particular color? Soybeans can be several colors other than yellow or black, and quite a few bi-colors. Some of those bi-colored soybeans make interested edamame. Black soybeans picked as edamame are red if allowed to ripen slightly. |
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Post by blueadzuki on Apr 1, 2017 18:23:25 GMT -5
I'm just spitballing, but some people think black soybeans are easier to digest than yellow.
I wonder if the stuff I used to find in Chinatown is part 505 (does that sometimes become a vine rather than a bush. Because the stuff I was getting was, and I know "pole" soy is in the minority and a primitive wild trait)
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Post by zeedman on Apr 1, 2017 20:20:57 GMT -5
I'm just spitballing, but some people think black soybeans are easier to digest than yellow. I wonder if the stuff I used to find in Chinatown is part 505 (does that sometimes become a vine rather than a bush. Because the stuff I was getting was, and I know "pole" soy is in the minority and a primitive wild trait) I've heard the 'easier to digest' claim from a seed saver who also runs a seed company - specifically about No. 505. Don't put much credence in it myself; wild & near-wild legumes are often less digestible. Selection No. 505 is semi-vining, so it may be similar to what you grew. Very heavily branched, small leaves, very small pods in large clusters, black seeds with a dull, powdery appearance. Mine tend to grow trailing, and they will weakly twine around nearby vegetation, or around each other... but I wouldn't call them 'climbing'. Remarkably heavy yield, especially given the tiny seed size. Wish I'd taken a photo last year, a pulled plant covered with ripe pods is really spectacular. |
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Post by philagardener on Apr 2, 2017 6:53:43 GMT -5
For black soybeans, Tankuro (edamame) and Natsu Kurakake (a black bicolor - really attractive seeds), are on my grow-out list this year.
Agate is another bicolor, marked with brown (not black), that did well for me last year, although the seeds were on the small side.
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Post by philagardener on Apr 2, 2017 7:01:15 GMT -5
Selection No. 505 is semi-vining, so it may be similar to what you grew. Very heavily branched, small leaves, very small pods in large clusters, black seeds with a dull, powdery appearance. Mine tend to grow trailing, and they will weakly twine around nearby vegetation, or around each other... but I wouldn't call them 'climbing'. Remarkably heavy yield, especially given the tiny seed size. Wish I'd taken a photo last year, a pulled plant covered with ripe pods is really spectacular. Sounds sort of like a half-runner equivalent. I have better luck with pole beans than bush beans in SE PA. The higher stature and better airflow keep seem to help the plants deal with my damp clay soils. Since the topic has already been brought up, can anyone recommend a productive, strongly climbing edamame? (Maybe it will have black seeds so I won't feel badly about deflecting the discussion a tad!) |
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Post by blueadzuki on Apr 2, 2017 7:28:32 GMT -5
I'm afraid you may have trouble there. Outside of apparently Zeed's 505 (which based on the description, is probably too small seeded to make the edamame you are after) and the stuff I had (which I can't get anymore, by now pretty much all packers use a much larger seeded type that is unequivocally bush) the only mention I have seen of climbing soybeans AT ALL was on a site mentioning a new type of white climbing that had been developed.....as deer browse! (and it sounds like that is only available commercially as part of the browsing mixture.)
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Post by diane on Apr 2, 2017 11:17:13 GMT -5
I remember black beans (kuromame) being part of the New Year's celebration in Japan. I wonder if one can buy bags of them
here in Asian grocery stores.
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Post by blueadzuki on Apr 2, 2017 14:35:22 GMT -5
You certainly can (that's where most of mystuff was fished out), but, as I said, those are bush type black soybeans (and usually with pretty long day length requirements, so hard to grow well if you don't live pretty far south)
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Post by zeedman on Apr 2, 2017 16:07:21 GMT -5
Sounds sort of like a half-runner equivalent. I have better luck with pole beans than bush beans in SE PA. The higher stature and better airflow keep seem to help the plants deal with my damp clay soils. Since the topic has already been brought up, can anyone recommend a productive, strongly climbing edamame? (Maybe it will have black seeds so I won't feel badly about deflecting the discussion a tad!) More like a mat-forming bean... similar to tepary beans, if you have seen how they grow. There are tall soybean varieties, and some which are even classified as indeterminate... but in my research, I've never come across a variety with a strong climbing tendency. The taller varieties almost invariably lodge, so you would need to support them to keep the pods off the ground. I grow a few that get over 4' tall, but none of those are edamame cultivars. GRIN list cultivars that are up to 2 meters in height, but most are small seeded. Black Pearl is the only black-seeded variety I've grown that was specifically bred for use as edamame. Natsu Kurakake is a good bi-colored edamame variety. Cha Kura Kake is another; seeds brown saddle over yellow, and will sometimes get up to 3'... and it is very early. |
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Post by jondear on Apr 2, 2017 16:37:40 GMT -5
Uprising seeds has some pretty cool new edamame selections this year. In addition to a black one, they have this... it's pretty cool 😎  |
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Post by blueadzuki on Apr 2, 2017 19:50:21 GMT -5
Not that it matters but besides the three "saddle" soys mentioned (which are the only three named ones I know of) In my hunts I managed to get my hands on a seed of a fourth, black saddle over tan, which is notable in that the saddle is a LOT sharper than that on any of the other ones (on agate and the two Kuakakes the saddle sort of "fades" into the base with a fuzzy transition, on the seed I found, it's a knife edge). Here's hoping it's still fertile (and is short season enough for me to get seed back)
The black kind currently in fashion in the markets can also have a sort of "pseudo" two-tone form, one where the "saddle is so large it almost covers the whole seed, leaving just a faint greenish streak along the back of the seed ( I think there also may be a variant where the streak is red, but as of yet I can't tell if those are a legit variety or the result of a virus (I suppose I won't know until I grow them)
Other designs I have bumped into are tiger stripes, speckles/mottles (actually quite a few of the black ones seem to have some specking in their genes) a sort of "moss" like effect (bluish-greenish-grey over cream*) and occasionally a black-eyed-pea like "eye" (though I only saw that once, years ago).
As for size, I seem to recall there being a packaged brand I used to see in some Japanese markets which were black soybeans that were HUGE (as in between dime and quarter size) However, even if I could find them again I'm not sure how well they would grow; when I skinned a few, their insides were REALLY messed up (as in cotyledons that had bizarre lobes and often more than two cotyledons, and radicles that were often twisted or even apparently nonexistent. So I think actual fertility of those is low.
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Apr 3, 2017 19:11:59 GMT -5
Just curious... why the interest in this particular color? Soybeans can be several colors other than yellow or black, and quite a few bi-colors. Some of those bi-colored soybeans make interested edamame. Black soybeans picked as edamame are red if allowed to ripen slightly. Purly for the fact that they would be non-GMO. |
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