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Post by philagardener on Mar 31, 2017 18:34:10 GMT -5
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Post by zeedman on Apr 2, 2017 16:22:51 GMT -5
Just curious... but why would you need that many bands? Once the lid seal has been set & cooled, the band is no longer necessary (it will probably already be loose). It can then be removed, cleaned, and used on a new batch. I've been reusing the same bands that came with the jars for many years, and only thrown away a few in that time for dings or rust.
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Post by steev on Apr 2, 2017 23:19:22 GMT -5
Ditto that. I never store canned goods ringed, although I may put a ring on an opened jar, so the lid not be inadvertently knocked off in the fridge.
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Post by paquebot on Apr 4, 2017 1:11:37 GMT -5
Bands are bands are bands. One size fits all and their only purpose is to hold the flat lid. Those who would require them in bulk are commercial canners who do not use lug caps. An examples would be beekeepers who use standard pints and quarts. Also many specialty canned goods are put up and sold in standard jars which may or many not have Ball/Kerr/etc. embossing.
Martin
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Post by steev on Apr 4, 2017 4:11:51 GMT -5
So one hopes you have a source for good generic lids; rings being pretty irrelevant.
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Post by paquebot on Apr 4, 2017 21:10:56 GMT -5
The only requirement for a band is that they secure the lid long enough to complete the canning process. I am not joking when I say that I was using #63 bands which were more rust than steel and had holes in them. Inasmuch as none have been made for almost 40 years, they aren't tossed just because they're a little rusty. Thanks to homesteading forums, found enough good ones to last through my remaining canning days.
Martin
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Post by steev on Apr 4, 2017 23:44:53 GMT -5
I sometimes use re-cycled lids from other products for the protective purposes you note. For many years I've had a pasta-sauce lid on the antique Ball jar in which I keep sugar for my coffee.
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Post by philagardener on Apr 5, 2017 5:54:48 GMT -5
I think name brand bands are made cheaply in China as all the others. They are poorly plated and start to rust if you turn away for a minute.
Many plastic mayonnaise jar tops also fit well onto canning jars; a lot of pasta sauce brands seem to be moving from a canning jar format to more steeply pitched threads that no longer cross-fit. I don't consume much mayo, however, so don't get too many of those.
I do like to put a non-rusted band on jams and jellies I give as gifts - and some do some back (but often starting to rust!) - I offer a "refill" policy to encourage recycling :>)
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Post by paquebot on Apr 5, 2017 21:18:15 GMT -5
At the moment, I know of no brands of rings or bands which are made in China. Mainstay was made there and some people had trouble with them but I didn't. No flat or ring is immune to rusting. That applies equally to Ball, Bernardin, Golden Harvest, Kerr, or Mainstay. (Also applies to Gardener's Kitchen if anyone still has any.) Much depends upon what is canned in them. Sauerkraut and some pickles and relishes will have spackled rust no matter what brand. That can be prevented if they are wiped off with vegetable oil before storage. Slight chance of mold but won't rust.
Martin
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Post by philagardener on Apr 6, 2017 6:03:51 GMT -5
Ball does state on their web site that "Other brands are made in China or other countries and may contain BPA and phthalates, known to buckle easily, causing frequent seal failures." My older Ball boxes are marked clearly "Made in USA" but my newer ones do not have a country of origin printed on them. |
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Post by paquebot on Apr 6, 2017 13:17:51 GMT -5
My latest boxes of Ball lids purchased last November have a US flag and Made in Usa on the end opposite the UPC code. Also a US flag in the upper right corner of the front. Kerr packaging has the same combinations.
Martin
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