anybody want to discuss Hopi squashes?

[jocelyn]

I look them up on line, and there is so much differing information, grin.

I'm interested in the maxima types.  Anybody grow those?
So Hopi Pale Grey:  sort of round, pale grey, good keeper, what else?

Hopi, no modifier, sort of Hubbard shaped, silvering in leaves, real good mildew resistance, comes in blue, green with stripes and orange??  Tastes good, nice dry matter..............

So confusing.........

I want to select back to the original, at least in shape and taste, but don't actually know what that is.

Hopi Orange, looks like a buttercup with no cup, nice bright orange inside.............

[keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.)]

Sure! I haven't grown Hopi Pale Grey since i don't really like hubbard types. But i have grown Hopi White (maxima), Hopi Black (moshata), and Hopi Orange i think (maxima). I probably could help in tracking down good seed sources. www.denverpost.com/2009/06/03/a-gourd-for-all-seasons/

Hopi White is a medium sized maxima sorta like a white pumpkin but it's more of a squash. Can be used as a jack-o-lantern for halloween though! Taste is not all that great in my opinion, but i'm still learning what makes a good squash when grown yourself. What sets Hopi White apart in opinion is the huge amount of seeds for such a small cavity and good quality plump seeds at that! Would make an excellent seed roasting variety. Grows well here. My source was Seed Dreams! seeddreams.blogspot.com/2008/09/squash-maxima-cucurbita-maxima.html

Though Joseph Lofthouse has one he calls Hopi White, but looks more grey and different to me, so probably a cross of somesort. But hey, might be a good squash too. Ask him about it.

Hopi Black is a large flat round moshata so it has a nice shape. Super long season so it's a little bit of a challenge growing here in Colorado, but it can be done. The one real year i grew it i got one ripe one before the snow hit and it was a beauty. Could have won me an award at the county fair if i had entered it. I would love to grow this variety again. Sheryl Gallant from Canada is the main source for this, but Darth Slater also has seed and really likes this variety.

providence-acres.blogspot.com/2010/11/perfect-squash.html
www.google.com/search?q=Sheryl+Gallant+hopi+black+squash

Hopi Orange i dont think did well for me, but that may have been the really dry bad year for all my squash. I really should try it again honestly. Hard to find.

sustainableseedco.com/organic-hopi-orange.html

and.. not strictly a "Hopi Squash" per se, but i once obtained seed for a squash called "Wild Hopi" which was a nice orange squash similar to appearance to Hopi Orange but sometimes with orange-green mottled flesh. Lots of genetic variability. A wild squash collected growing near an old abandoned indian pueblo in the middle of nowhere in southern utah. I renamed it "Wild Pueblo" and gave all of my remaining seed to Joseph Lofthouse to try growing for me this year. Hopefully something good comes of that. I had intergrown some of it with Hopi White and Hopi Black, so it's possible there are some hybrids in there. Actually last time i grew it i got this inbetween colored squash that was HUGE. So probably a hybrid. alanbishop.proboards.com/thread/8499/wild-pueblo-squash
www.google.com/search?biw=1301&bih=654&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=wild+hopi+squash
www.google.com/search?biw=1301&bih=654&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=wild+pueblo+squash

[jocelyn]

Interesting thread you posted the link to. The orange fruit that has any size to it looks a lot like the wild pueblo one you posted. There was one last year sort of Hubbard shaped and paler orange. Then there is a buttercup shaped one, going to be orange, and may have green striping...........too soon to say yet.

Looks like a lot of different phenotypes can appear out of these seeds.

Play time, grin.

All of them did well here, even in a wet year, or a dry year, like this one.

These can expect another 70 to 80 days before killing frost, will be fun to see what they do.

[jocelyn]

The descriptions in the links you sent give me something to select for. The old guy who gave me the seeds is an Elder, so I would like to clean up the squashes I have and give them back to him, if I can. He may put them out around the community later, and since he is Mi'gmag, they are the real deal, even if mixed up a bit. It could be a fun project. Already, the days to maturity are down to something likely for here, and the mildew resistance is really, really good.

[sowa]

Jul 31, 2017 9:06:54 GMT -5 jocelyn said:

I look them up on line, and there is so much differing information, grin.

I'm interested in the maxima types.  Anybody grow those?
So Hopi Pale Grey:  sort of round, pale grey, good keeper, what else?

Hopi, no modifier, sort of Hubbard shaped, silvering in leaves, real good mildew resistance, comes in blue, green with stripes and orange??  Tastes good, nice dry matter..............

So confusing.........

I want to select back to the original, at least in shape and taste, but don't actually know what that is.

Hopi Orange, looks like a buttercup with no cup, nice bright orange inside.............

Hi.
Couple of years later, how did you go with the seed?

I've got some Hopi grey growing now here in Western Australia.

Here is what I think about it.
I think it's a hybrid of a candy roaster shaped local type and maybe an original blue Hubbard
Bred over time,to harden it to the local environment, but never really cleaned up.
That's why you get the variation in shape.
If that's true, a bit hard to take it back to the original.

Interested in your update.

Cheers

[flowerbug]

i'm always interested in squash of any kind and hope your project succeeds.

[xdrix]

It difficult to keep blue squashs pure!
Good luck

[keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.)]

I almost never visit this forum anymore. Most of us have jumped ship to the new OSSI Open Source plant breeding forum.

I am one of two people with old seed for Hopi Black. Hoping to grow it out otherwise it is nearly extinct.

Have an old packet of Hopi orange. Not planning on growing it, but I think it is commercially extinct.

Still love Hopi white from seed dreams in Washington state.

[flowerbug]

i'm most often on TEG and not really looking to join more forums. glad you did stop by TEG if even for a moment. almost pea planting season here.