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Post by 12540dumont on Apr 9, 2020 15:40:33 GMT -5
My mortgage company sent me an email to say "We are here for you."
Yeah, I bet. More like we are here to make sure you pay.
I forgot to pay my son's water bill, and they called to say they were shutting off the water. And then, they figured out I HAD paid the damn bill.
Son, lives in my cabin. He's been laid off. So, good thing he has a mommy who loves him and will keep the lights on.
And if you are trying to live on unemployment, I hear your pain. Not enough to keep the lights and water on and eat.
I don't think that there will ever be a normal again. And I'm an optimist. (To me the 60's were normal, life was good, we were on the gold standard, we had a YOUNG president, there were lots of jobs, Nixon - another republican had not opened China, so as a country we were pretty self-reliant).
Right after this, they'll bring out AI, since they never get sick...
You all take care.
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Post by reed on Apr 10, 2020 10:23:31 GMT -5
The 60s were pretty nice as I recall, at least from my perspective.
Whether a pandemic, natural disaster, crop failure, war, whatever it might have been events of Nov 4 2016 insured it would be as bad as it possibly could be. That's not political, it's just the truth. Now it's just waiting for a continuous line of shoes to drop. The current pandemic is probably just the tip of the iceberg.
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Post by flowerbug on Apr 11, 2020 7:37:24 GMT -5
i was talking to someone the other day as he was filling up the propane tank. he said it was so crazy and that he'd never seen anything like it (he's a pretty young guy) and what did i think. i told him that people got the leadership they voted for and they deserved whatever happened. i have a lot of sympathy for those who are affected so badly by this, but i really wonder if they actually understand that to a large extent they've done it to themselves.
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Post by steev on Apr 11, 2020 10:30:31 GMT -5
The current shoe-dropper seems to be a centipede.
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Post by prairiegardens on Apr 11, 2020 12:17:41 GMT -5
I have now seen three videos of different doctors claiming that the death numbers for COVID19 are being padded..that people dying of other things are being written up as dying of COVID, one of the doctors is a woman who used to be head of the medical association for her state and has been writing up death certificates for a very long time. She said that she has (and has made copies of) a directive from the CDC to say that the person died from coronavirus unless there is obvious reason to say otherwise, basically. Another pointed out that recently the numbers are WAY down for people dying of heart attacks, flu, or any sort of respiratory issue. One of the others said that a child in the east was said on the death certificate to have died from the coronavirus and the parents denied it, and said no, the child had died from an accident. Lots of conspiracy stuff but no explanation as to why 200+ other countries would play into a fake pandemic, or how to explain the clear exhaustion and desperation in the doctors from Italy and Spain - and New York, for that matter, trying to cope. As far as that goes, probably an equal number of doctors are screaming that the numbers are actually too low. It's a wonderful world when you cannot trust ANY group to be truthful. I suppose that's why some people are still hanging onto Trump's shoelaces, however often he contradicts himself, and however many lies he spouts, he always sounds sure of himself.
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Post by 12540dumont on Apr 12, 2020 16:16:44 GMT -5
Okay, my aunt says that anyone in Minnesota can get tested. Here Kaiser says you have to be over 65.
If we can't test everyone, how do we know how many are sick? We don't.
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Post by steev on Apr 14, 2020 1:48:01 GMT -5
Right. The infected walk among us, unknowing and unknown. World-wide, we are like the native Americans were when Europeans brought them smallpox, they having no resistance.
It's not an unmixed catastrophe; traffic, parking, and air quality are all much better.
My brother, who is a safety checker for PG&E, is sleeping in his truck, since the motels are closed. Life goes on.
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Post by flowerbug on Apr 14, 2020 16:59:31 GMT -5
i'm not letting anyone in the door so nobody is walking among me. so far we are doing ok. i hope everyone else is too. hang in there!
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Post by mskrieger on Apr 23, 2020 17:56:44 GMT -5
Glad to hear you guys are alright, at least. I actually work in a university medical school and hospital. I live in the part of Connecticut directly adjacent to New York. And I can tell you, this pandemic is no hoax. There's lots of people dying, lots and lots of people getting really, really sick. The university hospital I work for isn't overwhelmed, but it's been all hands on deck for more than a month now. Way more ventilators in use than ever before. People dying every day who seemed pretty healthy two weeks before. I can guess that a lot fewer death certificates say "heart disease" or whatnot because everyone with a weak heart etc. who gets covid dies. But the death rate in general is much, much higher than normal. And that's with everyone who can staying home, and those who can't are all wearing masks and staying far away from others as much as possible. Stay safe and stay well, and count yourself lucky if you live in a lightly populated part of the world and don't know anybody personally affected by this virus.
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Post by steev on Apr 23, 2020 19:13:41 GMT -5
I really wish I'd been able to move to the farm already; being in the over-crowded Bay Area makes me a tad fearful of "buying the farm".
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Post by synergy on Apr 24, 2020 13:15:24 GMT -5
Some people will be smart enough to remain taking every precaution they can, surely a few have learned protocals that make it safer ? I feel I have and will be at it into 2021 ?
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Post by mskrieger on Apr 27, 2020 13:15:11 GMT -5
I really wish I'd been able to move to the farm already; being in the over-crowded Bay Area makes me a tad fearful of "buying the farm". The odds of catching it outside are apparently a lot lower than indoors. So I think your odds are pretty low, friend. But take care when shopping!
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Post by flowerbug on Apr 28, 2020 10:20:46 GMT -5
the only protocols i know so far are to keep a good mask on, to avoid touching your face, washing your hands and clothes after coming back from being out and about and hoping nobody sneezes or coughs in your face when you don't have some barrier on.
i have not been out shopping or into the bigger city for a few months now. with cases going from 50 to almost 600 in the past three weeks it's probably asking for trouble to go that far anyways. normally we only make that trip once a month. i'm such a homebody that this is normal life for me other than worrying about friends and relatives who are vulnerable.
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Post by flowerbug on May 16, 2020 8:49:22 GMT -5
i guess this thread got too real! wow... what a mess. still doing ok here, hope everyone else is also being safe and being careful.
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Post by reed on May 17, 2020 4:13:37 GMT -5
Yea, it's pretty real. Still not post apocalypse but moving past the beginning I think. The current pandemic is unfortunately just a small part of the overall collapse. It has maybe acted as a trigger for a lot of whats to come socially, economically, politically. In our house we are still doing what we can to avoid it. Staying home, wearing a mask if we do go out. Our nearest human neighbors are almost a mile away, so that's good.
Then there's the military stuff, Russia and the US deploying new class of nuclear weapons. Russia building bases in the newly navigable Arctic. China fortifying control of the South China Sea, that's funny cause the small amount most people hear about that makes it sound like they want to control shipping lanes or fossil fuel resources but the only actual conflicts so far with Vietnam and the Philippines has been over fish. And their peaceful and stealthy occupation of Africa, notably with massive dam building projects in multiple countries. Looks to me like they are positioning themselves to be the last ones standing by securing control of food and water.
Then there is the really big and ultimately the final one of climate change, mass extinction and biosphere collapse. I checked one of the satellite web sites the other day and for the first time could not find a single spot on the globe with C02 below 400 PPM. South Pole and Hawaii are both over 420. Also there is measurable source of CO in a part of Canada where there aren't any cities so can only be a fire.
Coming months will be real interesting, I suspect.
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