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Post by xdrix on Aug 8, 2020 2:09:04 GMT -5
It existe a wheat perennial? For replace the grass.
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Post by xdrix on Aug 8, 2020 16:03:58 GMT -5
The plant able to grow all over for our climate is the rucola (brasica diplotaxis tenuifolia), she is very good for the health with a lot quantity of vitamin b9 and b12 and a lot diversity of aminate acid that we found rarely in the industrial food.
She is able to grow in a drought and hot conditions and she is resistiv at the freez -10°C 14°F without problem. And the heatwave is not a big problem for her.
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Post by reed on Aug 9, 2020 2:44:27 GMT -5
I haven't read "How to Grow More Vegetables". It might be an exception but the vast majority of garden books are in my opinion completely worthless. Even what I consider good such as by Ruth Stout often fail to take into account that every location is different. A year round deep mulch like worked on her sandy soil would be a complete disaster here. In forty years of reading I can say the only inspiring and useful gardening books I come across are those by Carol Deppe and Susanne Ashworth. In the case of Ashworth, only as quick easy reference on how to do the opposite of what it's written for.
Few people in reality will ever figure out how to grow much of anything. Even fewer will do it without the use of gasoline powered machines, purchased fertilizers and insecticides and lots of artificially applied water.
Again I could be wrong about "How to Grow More Vegetables" if I ever come across a free copy I might find out but I sure won't be spending money on it. The only root crop in that lists that grows easily here is garlic. Trying to live on potatoes in my climate would bring on starvation in short order. Forty years ago they grew easily here but no more. Same with winter squash, a good crop can be expected maybe one in four yeas now, but at least you get seeds from them unlike potatoes. Potatoes, as far as a sustainable crop, for me are in a word useless. I've never harvested a leek that wasn't ate up by little white worms and rotten.
Three crops that are showing great promise for me are sweet potatoes, peanuts and cow peas, none of which were ever grown around here in the past that I know of. For someone in another location or different circumstances these may be as worthless as potatoes are to me.
My point or my peeve is that garden writers only want to sell their books. The wisdom they contain if any has to be placed in context of many variables. Reading and learning and seeking advice are great but when it comes down to it people who what to grow their own food have to experiment and figure it out for themselves and they damned well better get their asses in gear.
A horrible mistake is to think that something read or heard is the cut in stone last word and that it has to be done just like that. Make that mistake and you are doomed.
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Post by prairiegardens on Aug 10, 2020 14:07:21 GMT -5
Different places.....here, potatoes and even corn will grow well ( many varieties of corn need help to withstand the wind though), as well as many pulse crops. The thing is trying to find those that not only produce crops but actually are nutritious, so many foods these days look pretty but are feeble on the nutrition page. As far as books go, I was bemused by Steve Solomon's comments on many garden "truisms" and somewhat taken aback about using animal feedstock as fertilizers, it seems to me that would lead to an explosion of groundhogs, mice etc. I've often found more useful information in very old books rather than those written since everyone figured they could make some money writing a book. The modern books mostly have very pretty pictures though!  I have 2 varieties of supposedly perennial rye which I need to plant in a protected spot so the deer/moose don't get at them. The other thing is trying to find crops that will provide winter food for chickens, wheat at an average of 12% these days is too low in protein for a laying flock, so looking at wild seeds, amaranth, mangels, squash and so forth. . I am trying to grow some traditional foods (for which I've been scolded, these are supposedly sacred foods which are profaned by growing in a garden plot...but I guess I'm going to have to live with being considered disrespectful, I'd bet good money that 99% of people, native or otherwise, wouldn't have a clue what they were if they tripped over them. I am not a fan of political correctness. |
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Post by prairiegardens on Aug 10, 2020 14:23:13 GMT -5
Oh yes, the other day I was listening to a phone in garden show featuring the owner of what is reputed to be the most prestigious garden centre in Saskatchewan. He replied to someone asking about squash blossoms falling off that it was "essential" to hand pollinate squash if fruit was wanted, much to my total astonishment. He added, for good measure that it was also helpful to hand pollinate tomatoes...just to get any fruit, not to try to breed them! No wonder people get fearful of trying to grow a garden....
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Post by blueadzuki on Aug 10, 2020 14:30:03 GMT -5
Different places.....here, potatoes and even corn will grow well ( many varieties of corn need help to withstand the wind though), as well as many pulse crops. The thing is trying to find those that not only produce crops but actually are nutritious, so many foods these days look pretty but are feeble on the nutrition page. As far as books go, I was bemused by Steve Solomon's comments on many garden "truisms" and somewhat taken aback about using animal feedstock as fertilizers, it seems to me that would lead to an explosion of groundhogs, mice etc. I've often found more useful information in very old books rather than those written since everyone figured they could make some money writing a book. The modern books mostly have very pretty pictures though! I have 2 varieties of supposedly perennial rye which I need to plant in a protected spot so the deer/moose don't get at them. The other thing is trying to find crops that will provide winter food for chickens, wheat at an average of 12% these days is too low in protein for a laying flock, so looking at wild seeds, amaranth, mangels, squash and so forth. . I am trying to grow some traditional foods (for which I've been scolded, these are supposedly sacred foods which are profaned by growing in a garden plot...but I guess I'm going to have to live with being considered disrespectful, I'd bet good money that 99% of people, native or otherwise, wouldn't have a clue what they were if they tripped over them. I am not a fan of political correctness. I know that if it came to it, I COULDN'T grow enough food to meet my needs here. Not with the acidic rocky soil, and pests that eat near 100% of planted seeds. If you are trying out wild/ ancient native foods, have you tried/do you have trailing fuzzy bean (Strophostyles helvula). If not I could send you some (the stuff grows all over the place here, thanks to the adding it to the stuff they use to bind the ground on the rail lines.) As a legume, it probably has a LOT of protein, and a lot of the Northeastern Indian tribes, like the Chocktaw and the Iroquois used/use it. (so much that some people think that ALL of the extant patches are descended from plantings.) American groundnut might be good too (if you can find someone with the fertile diploid as opposed to the sterile triploid version, so it will reseed itself.) And my apologies I never knew you were Native! If I had, I would have apologized for the "Project Jo'Gee'Oh references.) I meant no offense but I can see how it might be interpreted as cultural appropriation. |
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Post by prairiegardens on Aug 10, 2020 19:41:24 GMT -5
No need to apologies! I'm not native, which is why I was told it was impertinent and inappropriate for me to grow any native traditional food plants. I think that's being silly, frankly, after all most if not all consume traditional European food and drink. So no nonnative should grow/eat amaranth or corn or squash? If people don't grow some of the wild foods, pretty soon they will disappear, some are already disappearing with the insistence on 40 foot road verges, and 60 foot power line right of ways, and all the development going on. And I have never met anyone else, native or not, who grows tobacco although plenty of people still smoke it and it was/is most decidedly a very important plant in many North American indigenous cultures If I was going to set up a restaurant featuring wild native foods, she would absolutely have a point, but as it is I think she is being silly. Anyway.
I could get the non spreading ground nut from JL Hudson but the wild ones are anathema to virtually all governments apparently, being highly successful at moving out of their allotted space.So no idea where those might be obtained. I've never even heard of trailing fuzzy bean! Do you use it like "regular" beans? I will pm you.
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Post by xdrix on Aug 18, 2020 14:20:38 GMT -5
We forgoten so much that our new varietys that we grow today came of the wild species!
Our new varietys are more voluminous but the nutrients are less concentrated than the wild species.
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Post by steev on Sept 10, 2020 23:01:15 GMT -5
True that, but are we better off eating more of less nutritious food? Could that not be part of why obesity is increasing? Are any of our simian cousins given to obesity? That might be a clue to what is right.
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Post by prairiegardens on Sept 14, 2020 16:02:15 GMT -5
Well when you hear that a person would have to eat at least a loaf of modern bread to get the nutrients their grandfather got from approximately two slices it has to make you wonder. Also glyphosate, now ubiquitous in pretty much everything, and most certainly in flour, has been linked to diabetes in at least two studies.
A welcome surprise is that Ogilvie Flour out of Quebec has annpunced that as of next year, grain(oats, specifically) with glyphosate residues will not be accepted.
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Post by prairiegardens on Sept 14, 2020 16:22:04 GMT -5
Listening to Covid discussions from various experts and I find it distressing that NONE of them have anything to say about what people might do on their own, it's ALL big Pharma. Also, apparently to be approved, a vaccine has to be "at least 50% effective" which is pretty feeble imo, esp when they have no idea how long it might be efficacious, it might only be a few days. The infection rate, horrific as it is, is wayyyyyy below 50% as it is, AND there have been a few documented cases of "recovered" COVID patients being reinfected. In the meantime, the ONLY research for treatments other than a vaccine are other drugs.
It seems to me the other day someone from WHO said something about people should perhaps consider building up their own immune systems. China was doing studies using unusually large doses of VitaminC, and German researchers had found that people who were severely ill were also highly deficient in vitamin D3..... which apparently most people are anyway so no idea if that's significant or not. But we hear nothing about how this non Pharma research is turning out, although China is not reporting the huge numbers that India, the US and Brazil are.
It is reminiscent of researchers establishing that severe cases of measles in the early 1900s were linked to a lack of vitamin ...A iirc, but that's been buried in the rush to depend on a vaccine which not only isn't always effective but has been linked to a much higher incidence of shingles in later life. It all also encourages a feeling of helplessness in the general public which seems to me to be extremely dangerous.
I wish they would be looking at the people who DON'T come down with COVID and trying to figure out why, I simply don't believe that none of them have "other issues", esp since the average 60 year old is apparently swilling down at least 6 medications daily. Maybe even that would be something to look at!
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Post by reed on Sept 14, 2020 17:19:11 GMT -5
This is interesting and for the most part I've been doing it already www.cnbc.com/2020/09/14/supplements-white-house-advisor-fauci-takes-every-day-to-help-keep-his-immune-system-healthy.htmlVitamin D, Vitamin C, water, exercise, sleep. Although a lot of my D comes form the sun and C from oranges, goji berries and the like. Also wear a mask in public. It doesn't necessarily prevent you getting infected but it does help with reducing the initial viral exposure. There is speculation and some evidence that a low initial exposure is at least partly responsible for a lot of people having only mild or even no symptoms at all. Almost like a vaccination in itself except those people can still spread it to others. even if it doesn't result in long term detectable antibodies there is still likely some immune memory. The body conjured up a defense form nothing once, it can likely do it again. COVID is the same type virus as the cold, maybe someday it will be equivalent to that. After lots and lots of people have died from the initial pandemic. It's ability to mutate along with especially in the US it being given lots of opportunity is one of the spookiest aspects. Still not "post" apocalypse but with COVID, climate change, political and social pressures all threatening imminent collapse; not likely to be much longer. |
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Post by flowerbug on Sept 16, 2020 5:42:27 GMT -5
Listening to Covid discussions from various experts and I find it distressing that NONE of them have anything to say about what people might do on their own, it's ALL big Pharma. Also, apparently to be approved, a vaccine has to be "at least 50% effective" which is pretty feeble imo, esp when they have no idea how long it might be efficacious, it might only be a few days. The infection rate, horrific as it is, is wayyyyyy below 50% as it is, AND there have been a few documented cases of "recovered" COVID patients being reinfected. In the meantime, the ONLY research for treatments other than a vaccine are other drugs. It seems to me the other day someone from WHO said something about people should perhaps consider building up their own immune systems. China was doing studies using unusually large doses of VitaminC, and German researchers had found that people who were severely ill were also highly deficient in vitamin D3..... which apparently most people are anyway so no idea if that's significant or not. But we hear nothing about how this non Pharma research is turning out, although China is not reporting the huge numbers that India, the US and Brazil are. [...] i don't think that what you write is accurate there, they do know that the immune response will be effective for more than a few days, they just don't know exactly how long (and i'm sure it would vary depending upon each person's immune system). more than a few weeks, probably, more than a few months, likely, but perhaps fading after six months to a year based upon the number of reported reinfections i'd say it looks to be that for most people it will be in the range of 6 months to a year at least.
the good news that i've seen so far is that none of the reinfections were severe or life-threatening but it will be interesting to see what happens as more time goes on.
as far as nutrition and food and how much to eat and obesity. i'm very sure that most obesity is due to not a lack of basic nutrition but a lot of junk food and not much exercise. eat sensibly and get some exercise and you can do ok (for most of those of us who do not have underlying conditions that make life difficult for some others). when you see a child of 5 being given a drink in a large 64oz cup and all of that being laced with sugar you know those calories will have some effect eventually, but furthermore the child gets used to wanting that much to drink and wants those big cups so they can feel "all grown up"... little do they know how grown up they're gonna get...  |
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Post by prairiegardens on Sept 20, 2020 15:49:31 GMT -5
Well, the info I am quoting was from an interview with a professor whose specialty was infectious diseases so I found her unwillingness to specify how long a vaccine was likely to be effective, distressing. As far as the relapses not being severe, from what has been reported for the last few months here, very few of the reported new cases are severe enough to be hospitalized in the first place, and of those who are, it's been even rarer to hear of people being in ICU , we get all that data ad nauseum on the hourly local news for both prairie provinces. Manitoba was doing magnificently in terms of cases until this last month, but is now catching up to Saskatchewan. I believe they have had one death in the last month. . Not to diiminish the potential, lots of people have died, but most of those started out old and sick. It's not clear to me the nature of how severely it's affecting the under 40, which cohort is apparently now the largest group getting it. Certainly some are ending up in hospital but certainly nothing remotely like the epidemic of deaths occurring early on in nursing homes in Ontario and Quebec. So I want to know why. Why are some getting it, others not, and some get it but show no symptoms. What is different from that group than the ones who come down with it, and esp who suffer severely from it? That seems to me to be useful information which we in North America are ignoring. I find choosing ignorance in preference to relying to Pharma to come up with a protection unfortunate, seems to me both should be working together. By and large, many of the drugs Pharma comes up with have side effects which can sometimes be worse than the original affliction, and there is obviously not going to be time to monitor for long term side effects of any vaccine or drug. And, of course, any drug or vaccine is going to be a further strain on health care finances. If there is something effective people could be doing I think we should be looking at that beyond wearing masks and washing hands (both of which I do, in case you were wondering  , I think we should be looking for that info. It might turn out to be something as simple as vitaminC is for scurvy, a disease which killed thousands, esp sailors, in years gone by. But if we don't LOOK for it, we certainly won't find it. |
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Post by flowerbug on Sept 25, 2020 14:34:48 GMT -5
there are many thousands upon thousands of compounds that exist, if you include the fact that some of them may interact with others then it becomes combinatorically impossible to study each and every possibility.
yes, it does help to look, but it may take some time, and right now time for those waiting for a vaccine to help them out is not something they may feel they have a lot of...
right now i don't feel like i'm living in the post-apocalypse, but in the middle of a continued disaster brought on by massive overpopulation and environmental destruction. everything else pales in comparison.
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, I think we should be looking for that info. It might turn out to be something as simple as vitaminC is for scurvy, a disease which killed thousands, esp sailors, in years gone by. But if we don't LOOK for it, we certainly won't find it.