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Post by reed on Oct 8, 2017 7:23:15 GMT -5
I don't care what ya call it but if you eat the bottom end of turnips and radish your cheating yourself out of the best parts. Flower shoots and seed pods are much better.
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Post by steev on Oct 8, 2017 19:08:31 GMT -5
Much of this stuff likely comes from when the Earth was flat and the Sun orbited around it.
Makes me wonder how anything grew before we were around to insure proper seed-orientation and hour of planting.
Once I was in gold-rush Columbia Park; a couple were walking and she asked him what those trees were ~100' away; he replied "walnuts"; thoughtlessly, I said "Ailanthus; Chinese Tree of Heaven; skunk-wood"; if looks could kill...
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Post by ethin on Oct 9, 2017 2:47:26 GMT -5
Hmmm... root crops... oh oh, I know this one, there's licorice, sassafras, ginseng, hydrangea, ...ginger?.. no gingers a rhizome, uh... Nope can't think of any others at the moment.
Oh wait, those are flavorings and medicines not food, do they still count as crops?
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Post by richardw on Oct 15, 2017 13:50:56 GMT -5
Hmmm... root crops... oh oh, I know this one, there's licorice, sassafras, ginseng, hydrangea, ...ginger?.. no gingers a rhizome, uh... Nope can't think of any others at the moment. Oh wait, those are flavorings and medicines not food, do they still count as crops?Yes that gray area in between, how can they separate them into pre-fullmoon and post-fullmoon sowing. So far this spring ive deliberately sowing at the so called wrong time according the moon sowing guide, so far, just a standard level of germination. |
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Post by ethin on Oct 15, 2017 14:30:40 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't see how the moon phase would affect your planting schedule, unless of course you're a werewolf then It's totally understandable.
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Post by steev on Oct 15, 2017 19:49:56 GMT -5
Speaking of rooting and mooning: some years ago, the KKK wanted to stage a march in Austin, Texas ( a rather un-Texanish progressive town ); they had to bus in participants, being very short of local "talent"; the local folk lined the route and mooned the Kluxers, as they passed, sort of a human(itarian) wave.
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Post by philagardener on Oct 15, 2017 20:25:09 GMT -5
Speaking of rooting and mooning: some years ago, the KKK wanted to stage a march in Austin, Texas ( a rather un-Texanish progressive town ); they had to bus in participants, being very short of local "talent"; the local folk lined the route and mooned the Kluxers, as they passed, sort of a human(itarian) wave. Cheeky folks!  |
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Post by steev on Oct 15, 2017 20:37:41 GMT -5
No ifs, ands, just butts.
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Post by richardw on Oct 16, 2017 2:44:24 GMT -5
Speaking of rooting and mooning: some years ago, the KKK wanted to stage a march in Austin, Texas ( a rather un-Texanish progressive town ); they had to bus in participants, being very short of local "talent"; the local folk lined the route and mooned the Kluxers, as they passed, sort of a human(itarian) wave. Good on them, obviously that must have inspired you to take up a bit of your own mooning down by SF bay. |
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Post by billw on Oct 22, 2017 13:51:54 GMT -5
Is a tomato a vegetable or a fruit? The former in common parlance, but the latter is more technically correct. If you are talking to a grocer, it's a vegetable; if a botanist, then it's a fruit. Is a potato a root crop? Technically, it is a tuber, which is formed from stems, not roots. I doubt that you could find one person in a hundred for whom that is a meaningful distinction though.
I think most people regard any plant where the main edible organ grows underground as a root crop. Turnips. carrots, and beets are enlarged composite organs formed from the taproot and the hypocotyl. Calling them hypocotyl/root crops would be accurate, but adds unnecessary complexity. As far as I'm concerned, if it grows under the ground, it is a root crop.
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Post by Gianna on Nov 7, 2017 12:24:45 GMT -5
A question i started on a vegetable growing facebook page today - beetroot, radishes and onions- are they a root crop?. I was looking at a moon planting chart where it says these being a root crop are what to sow for the next week or so, beetroot, radishes and onions were on that list. They are not root crops, you dont eat the roots of these, you eat the swollen stems. Carrots, Parsnips, Skirret, Hamburg parsley etc are root crops. To me a root crop is when you eat the root section. You dont eat the onion roots, you dont eat the beetroot roots the turnip or radish and they dont grow below ground. Even Wikipedia have it wrong Thoughts? Lot's of thread drift... but back to the original question.
Interesting concept. Never thought about this before. The onion is obvious, but while the beet, radish, and turnip are generally thought of as root crops, I think you are right - they are stem.
When you watch a seedling emerge from the soil, what is below the cotyledons down to the soil (and further down to the original seed) is considered stem tissue. If the plant is a rosette former, after the rosette forms above the cots, that tissue is still stem even if it enlarges into storage tissue as in beets, etc.
If you slowly eat a mature carrot (root), there is a central column of vascular tissue with little spikes connecting outwards to secondary roots. You don't see that in beet, radish or turnip tissue because cellular anatomy is different between roots and stems. Stems have vascular tissue/cambium layer more around the perimeter with softer storage cells in the center - not a central column like a carrot.
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Post by richardw on Nov 7, 2017 13:22:59 GMT -5
Yes a carrot does form differently to a beet etc, a carrot its the tap root that fulls out where is a beet radish etc depending on the variety full out in either the root or stem section.
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Post by prairiegardens on Nov 7, 2017 19:53:26 GMT -5
Moon phase planting/harvesting was explained to me as an extension of how the moon affects the tides. Whether that affect also applies to things growing in earth is a different question. it might be a question of there being more things in heaven and earth we really don't know anything about, no matter how clever we are....or these days, we think we are. Looking at what we are doing to the planet and ourselves in the process tends to beg the question as to how clever we really are.
I've seen reports on both sides of the argument that the moon phases also affect people's mood and behaviour; including ICU staff gearing up for a higher rate of "customers" during the full moon. So there might be some rationale that the moon could mess with other life forms as well.
As for me, I'm often just glad to get something planted, whenever and however. Ditto harvest. I've never seen anyone claim planting or harvesting by the moon inhibits the crops, though, so no harm in trying if circumstances permit, possibly?
Those Indian farmers who smashed crop records in India a couple of years ago were using biodynamic methods apparently. I can relate to moon phases better than stuffing a cow's horn with certain materials and burying it. That's beyond my capacity to justify or understand....and really seems to be more shamanic than scientific. That gets into a whole other can of worms.
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Post by prairiegardens on Nov 7, 2017 20:14:25 GMT -5
As far as having to plant seeds right side up, that would certainly be a worry for anyone trying to plant celery or carrots, to say nothing of tobacco. I've seen stuff patiently handle being (unintentionally) planted upside down as prolly most of us on here have. Maybe that idea was a corruption of the guidelines for the depth seed "should" be planted?
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