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Post by 12540dumont on Apr 13, 2012 22:07:43 GMT -5
Tom, How's that new young 'un of yours doing?
Okay, after the deluge is over, I'll take a photo of Frosty...I have to weed it first. This rain is making the weeds leap into the air.
I mowed the front garden, and my neighbor said to me 3 days later...I thought you were going to mow the paths.
I tried to sing Take me Back to Tulsa to Leo..which led me to start to sing Give me Back my 15 Cents. Leo would not give me back my 15 cents. He figures that with amortization, depreciation, cost overruns, taxes, and general wear and tear, I owe him about $10 million, not including stagflation and interest.
It was a great deal for 15 cents. We are only 1 week away from final frost. Go Frosty Go!
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Apr 13, 2012 23:04:35 GMT -5
After my recent frost, Mom said the corn could survive but not produce. Any experiences of corn surviving frost, but not producing ears? I haven't noticed this in corn. My first planting or two of corn usually gets several spring frosts, and it always produces a crop if it isn't killed outright. The only time I have seen corn not produce cobs is if it is planted too close together. Mature corn that gets frosted in the fall is a mixed-bag some plants might continue growing normally, some might die, and some might continue growing but produce bitter tasting cobs. However, I only know my garden and my genomes... Results might vary in other places with other genomes.
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Post by 12540dumont on Apr 15, 2012 21:45:41 GMT -5
Anything that is infected with squash bug should be burned. Nice day for a BBQ no?
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Post by darwinslair on Apr 15, 2012 22:36:31 GMT -5
Tom, How's that new young 'un of yours doing? she is doing great! Wish she would want to sleep when we want to sleep, but going on two and a half months, she has grown 5 inches and 5 pounds, which is not bad. Would think she was getting steroids the way she is growing on boob milk. <grin> must be all that good food I have been feeding my wife. Venison and last year's crop does a body good. Tom
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Post by 12540dumont on Apr 17, 2012 16:05:04 GMT -5
Frosty, after several frosts, still hanging in there. Tom, that's some Boob milk! 5 pounds, heavens! Attachments:
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Post by darwinslair on Apr 17, 2012 20:02:47 GMT -5
froze again last night, Grunt's Dark Autumn Delight Popcorn looks fine. that is 5 nights since it emerged that it froze to no ill effect. nice to know.
Tom
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on May 1, 2012 1:43:29 GMT -5
On April 18th, I planted a row of Frosty Sweet Corn 2.5 weeks earlier than the earliest I dare plant corn. It is already up. The last three nights we had snow or frost and low temperatures: 32F, 27F, 30F (at 5 feet above ground level, probably colder at leaf level with strong radiant cooling). When I checked on it today, some of the corn survived without damage, some of it lost the tip of it's leaves. None of it appears to have perished. Tomorrow is expected to be a rain day. The corn is still too small to flag, but I'm expecting to jab some markers into the soil near the best survivors, or perhaps I'll transplant the best-of-lot to a new row like I did last year. The earlier plantings are choked with weeds. Hard to tell if they survived. The potatoes (from tubers) froze back to ground level. The other in-ground production crops look fine. I haven't been pushing the season except with the breeding programs. Some of the weeds were heavily damaged!!!! One flat of tomato seedlings which was under cover took it hard. I planted another row of frosty cantaloupe. It's still a month before it's safe to do so, but if anything survives, that would be really cool. A too-early planting last year provided my first melon of the season. I intend to plant a row of frosty moschata tomorrow. That doesn't seem as daring as the cantaloupe. Any other normally warm season crops that I aughta be planting now to develop a frosty line? Okra? Garbonzo? Tomatoes... I want to work on a direct seeded cold-tolerant tomato. I'm not thinking about frosty beans, summer squash, or cucumbers, because they grow so quickly that I don't see how it would offer a decent return on investment. I keep finding watermelon seeds. Might have enough extra to do one more frosty watermelon planting. Time to start gathering materials and supplies for a tetraploid melon and B. alba trial. I'm planning on an honest to goodness incubator this time... And multiple times/concentrations...
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Post by richardw on May 1, 2012 5:02:17 GMT -5
Till joining this forum,i wouldn't have even thought about doing what you guys are up with your corn frost tolerance selection work,i'm finding it really interesting following this thread. I can see myself doing the same this spring coming,after all ive got plenty 'Early Gem' seed to play with
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on May 1, 2012 8:53:52 GMT -5
This morning I identified the flat of tomatoes that took the cold hard... It is my trial flat: The varieties that are being grown for the first time in my garden this summer.
I'm not saying that they are more susceptible to frost: Perhaps I applied the cover crooked, or left a gap for a breeze to get through... Nevertheless, I started my landrace with varieties that are known to do well here, so I'm wondering if I have inadvertently been selecting for frost tolerance in my tomato landraces? I know I have been selecting for plants that thrive here in spite of the cold radiant-cooled nights.
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Post by 12540dumont on May 1, 2012 16:41:01 GMT -5
Frosty this morning. Attachments:
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Post by nathan125 on May 1, 2012 17:25:32 GMT -5
i've jumped all over this corn bandwagon, my AD is just starting to pop out of the ground. ruby queen which was transplanted is a few weeks ahead of it. can't wait for the warm weather to hit, it's going to be like HGH for that corn. I also have a mix of AD, kandy Korn, Sugar dots(bi color) and Peaches & cream that i will plant in an area that gets decent sun, partially shaded but it gets a few hours of real intense heat, hopefully it works out
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Post by DarJones on May 1, 2012 17:44:54 GMT -5
Joseph, we should probably start a separate thread for cold tolerant tomatoes. I have a tomato variety that has survived 22 degrees with zero damage, but this is exceptional, not normal. Re your flat that was damaged, there is an effect that can occur under some conditions where cold air is blowing across a plastic surface and the inside edge of the plastic will get up to 10 degrees colder than the air outside. The cold air on the inside rushes down the face of the plastic and hits the ground and freezes whatever is closest. Think of this in a greenhouse and you will understand what I am describing. In other words, the tomato plants you were growing were not necessariliy intolerant of cold, it could have been where the tray was placed. It could also be that you are selecting more cold tolerant varieties.
DarJones
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on May 3, 2012 1:30:09 GMT -5
Today I planted a row of what I am presuming was homozygous sugary enhanced sweet corn. It's still 5 weeks before I would normally plant se+ sweet corn. I am looking for cold soil emergence. This week is when I generally start planting su sweet corn.
Figuring that I'd throw as many genetic variations as possible at it, this contained seed from all of my sugary enhanced breeding projects: F2 and F3 seed which were undamaged kernels: the densest kernels in the lot that also swelled up quickly when soaked in water. Ancestors included: Alan's Astronomy Domine, Dar's Cherokee Squaw, Spero's Red & Gold, Hopi Pink Blue & Taos, among others. The ancestor's also included presumably homozygous-se seed which passed the soak test last spring but which was planted later in the season.
Frosty has recovered fine from the frost.
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Post by davida on May 3, 2012 11:16:10 GMT -5
Frosty has recovered fine from the frost. Frosty recovered fine after the frost in Utah and Frosty recovered fine after being flooded in Oklahoma. First tassels are forming. Page 31 of Carol Deppe's excellent book "Breed Your Own Vegetable Varieties" says "freeze tolerance and cold tolerance are complex characteristics whose genetics are not understood. I did know, however, that varieties of vegetables that are especially cold tolerant are ofter especially heat tolerant as well, and vice versa. Often, apparently, it isn't cold tolerance from the plant's point of view;it's tolerance toward temperature extremes, perhaps even general tolerance toward environmental stress". Although my and Joseph's growing conditions are very different and almost exact opposites, Frosty the corn from Joseph seems to have general tolerance toward environmental stress as stated by Carol. David
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on May 3, 2012 13:04:22 GMT -5
Often, apparently, it isn't cold tolerance from the plant's point of view;it's tolerance toward temperature extremes, perhaps even general tolerance toward environmental stress I find that fact to be quite interesting. The Zuni Gold beans i planted last year i would describe as being extremely drought tolerant. This year in early spring i noticed one seed on the ground that had survived the winter, so i gently pushed it into the ground. Several weeks ago the bean sprouted (much earlier than i would have expected any beans to), and a pea i had accidentally dropped also came up next to it as well. We had a light frost which did NOT affect the bean, but which DID affect the pea. While the pea died above ground it did regrow from under ground and did recover. But it appeared that the bean possessed more frost tolerance than the pea which i thought was amazing.
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