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Post by galina on Jun 30, 2018 9:33:13 GMT -5
keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) templeton and others. Could I ask you to cast an eye on these peas please: www.growingfoodsavingseeds.co.uk/forum/main-forum/peas/220-court-estate-gold-x-shiraz/page7especially the two icy yellow coloured ones with their red speckling posted on 30 June 18. One has apparently random speckles in the centre of the pea, the other a faint band of red speckles at the end opposite to the seeds. Which (if any) of the purple genes do these different patterns correspond to? Looking at the nearly red pea on the same page, would the pea with the random speckles supply the 'missing' gene to fill in the missing colour to make the red pea completely red if I crossed them with each other and selected out red offspring? Or does it just not work like that?
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Post by galina on Jun 29, 2018 17:55:21 GMT -5
Thankyou keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.), would have never thought of crossing a poor red to a purple. I have not so good reds from two different crosses, one with Shiraz as the purple parent and also with Sugar Magnolia. Must grow both next year and cross. Thank you for giving me an idea here.
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Post by galina on Jun 29, 2018 10:02:14 GMT -5
I crossed my large yellow Court Estate Gold with Sugar Magnolia and expected the F1 to be purple last year. It wasn't. Blotchy green/purple. Then I crossed the blotchy F1 back to Sugar Magnolia last year and have this year grown the F1 of that cross. SM x (SM x CEG F1) F1 I have no idea whether this is written correctly and would appreciate help.
This F1 is dark, dark purple, very solid colour, quite unlike last year and actually as dark as the darkest Sugar Magnolias. The pod is a 4 inch shelling pea looking pod. I am sure it is fibreless with that parentage, just don't want to eat any of these precious pods this year.
Question: Does purple get better by crossing what should have been a purple F1 with a purple pea? Can purple genes be strengthened by crossing purple with purple? I am delighted at this. And hope that in future generations it will translate into a solid red mangetout and snap pea of large proportions if and when the Court Estate Gold recessive genes show up in the F2 and F3 generations.
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Post by galina on May 25, 2018 8:07:28 GMT -5
Maybe you should bag a flowering side-shoot and see it if it self-fertile. If it doesn't set seed, then you confirm your approach. If it does, you have selfed seed to compare with the OP, and know for the future. You would probably have to open buds and clip out the stamens with a pair of tweezers, and that could be very fussy. Good luck! That is a very good approach philagardener. I am used to opening flower buds and emasculating with peas, but have to be more careful as the flowers are smaller. I guess the flowers may need more than bagging, maybe some artificial bee action whilst keeping insects out before rebagging. I appreciate your comment, thank you.
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Post by galina on May 19, 2018 5:22:23 GMT -5
Ooops I may have this slightly wrong. Do I have to emasculate the flowers on the variegated Daubenton kale? I suppose if they are self-fertile, it will still be interesting what the seeds produce. Shouldn't think they are the same as the kale I have, even if they haven't crossed with the Portuguese kale. If I do need to emasculate, I'd appreciate practical tips on how to do this. So far I've been playing bee and hoping for the best, but we still have a lot of flowers to go, so could change procedure.
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Post by galina on May 16, 2018 9:29:12 GMT -5
Very interesting to see your peas Keen101. Why are you interested in the nap gene? Ah red ones - well apart from shelling peas, good red has so far eluded me. As soon as I have a mangetout or snap pea cross, the red is blotchy from the Shiraz line anyway.
However this year the F2s of crosses with Sugar Magnolia are in the ground and with that comes another big lot of hope and anticipation.
Other peas I am following up are the crosses with the cr gene - crimson flowers. My pea gardening friend Silverleaf made a cross with Telephone and my other friend Jayb made a cross with Mrs Lei. I am following up both and have made my own crosses too. That flower colour is just so pretty and anybody who wants to or needs to grow peas in the front garden or just likes pretty flowering vegetables, will hopefully cherish these. I was lucky to get seeds of a blueish flowering pea and made several crosses last year. And several more flower colour projects are also in the pipeline for the next few years.
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Post by galina on May 16, 2018 9:08:10 GMT -5
The first flowers have turned into what I hope will become filled seed pods and more flowers on both are developing. I play bee, but hope that the real thing is also doing its stuff. Getting exciting now.
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Post by galina on May 4, 2018 2:35:46 GMT -5
www.jstor.org/stable/2456826?read-now=1&loggedin=true&seq=1#page_scan_tab_contentsI just found the answer to the above compatibility question. White flowering kale is an Asiatic form of brassica oleracea and crosses readily with yellow flowering, the white being dominant. Crossing experiments were done in the 1920s. They set seeds readily and were fertile. So it is no problem that one is white flowering the other yellow, it seems. Let us hope I can make it work too.
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Post by galina on May 3, 2018 12:30:15 GMT -5
Very interesting. I now have a few open flowers on the Portuguese kale, but to my surprise the initially white buds on the variegated Daubenton's are definitely going to be yellow flowers. Still no open flowers, but advanced buds and clearly they are yellow.
I don't understand the difference between white and yellow flowering kales. As I intend crossing them, can anybody please advise me whether there is going to be a compatibility issue?
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Post by galina on May 3, 2018 7:53:20 GMT -5
Here in central England weather is now more erratic, less predictable - winters either very cold and neverending or extremely mild. Last frost comes later, should be mid May but now often first week in June. Summer erratic too. We had no sun at all for 6 weeks a few years ago in July and August, and then we had a couple of years with no rain for 3 months and everything started looking like Texas in August. We used to get strong gales during early spring and autumn just before winter. To do with the location of the jet stream on its way north and south of UK. No longer, we now have had several incidents of very damaging gales when the trees are in full leaf, knocking off ripening fruit too. The jet stream is very different in location and also in shape than 20 years ago, often has buckles and bends in it. A few days ago we had over a month's worth of rain in a weekend, but that sort of thing isn't even worth mentioning. However it is a big problem for folk living in Hemsby and other places where coastal erosion has accelerated drastically and scores of houses are being lost to the sea: www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-norfolk-43465731/hemsby-coastal-erosion-leaves-cliff-top-homes-uninhabitable On the other hand the first frost date seems to be changing more often than not from October into November, and this is a very welcome change. We seem to get a new weather record several times a year now, coldest, hottest, driest, wettest whatever it is, it is more extreme than it has been twenty years ago.
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Post by galina on May 2, 2018 4:26:09 GMT -5
Thank you William. The flowers still haven't opened and we had another frost last night. Pipe cleaner seems to do the trick. I wondered whether I should shake the expendable flowers on the Portuguese over the Daubenton's for pollination. An 'artificial bee' however makes a lot of sense.
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Post by galina on Apr 30, 2018 6:39:59 GMT -5
Update on my multiplying leeks. Grown not here but in continental Europe, they survived winter weather down to -20C last winter! Not bad for a UK coastal plant. Here in Britain their winter survival is always secure, even well inland where winters are much colder than along the coast.
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Post by galina on Apr 29, 2018 11:08:28 GMT -5
Well this year for the very first time my variegated Daubenton is flowering. Just in bud at the moment, but I think it is going to be flowering white. Hope that it will cross with the Portuguese perennial kale. Any tips on how to help nature and handpollinate? Very excited. Last winter was pretty grim and it is still very cold now. Today the first apple blossom opened, everything is very late. I guess this might have been close to survival for this kale, hence the flowers. The same Daubentons at MIL's more sheltered garden (I gave her a cutting last year) is not flowering, but has developed a plain green branch. The Taunton Dean is not flowering but the oldest is dying back, only part of the plant is still lush. Would love to get a cross and viable seed and select for better frost hardiness. Have also started a tray of Grandpa Maycocks Collards, which flower every year. Not all plants are perennial, but many go for 3 years and only the ones that do are allowed to go to seed. That would have been a good crossing partner too, but sadly, not available this year. Fingers crossed. A few photos: www.growingfoodsavingseeds.co.uk/forum/main-forum/perennial-crops-and-permaculture/5904-daubenton-s-kale-and-relatives
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Post by galina on Jul 25, 2017 9:29:12 GMT -5
You are so correct Templeton. Alan Kapuler's Sugar Magnolia is also superior in taste.
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Post by galina on May 31, 2017 6:21:23 GMT -5
toad. Yes it is a problem that we have to live with. What we don't know is what favours or hinders this large mutation rate. I saved seeds from a strain of solid purple last year and shared with others. Just had a query regarding colours as one recipient noticed some green in the pods and wondered whether this was correct. Does growing in different locations accelerate mutation? Or different growing conditions, more extreme drought/wet, different ph values in rain or tap water?
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