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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Jan 11, 2020 23:57:21 GMT -5
Yes, P.fulvum has an orange coloured flower, two genes as I recall from that Tasmanian PHD thesis. Just a heads up it’s not an easy - straight forward cross. due to inter specific incompatibility. Flowers are small and as a side note the pods have explosive dehiscence. The immature pods taste very pea like and also carry some good (multi gene) resistance (at least in some accessions) to ascochyta which I think templeton might be troubled by... Cheers Steve Was sorting my quickly harvested peas from last season. I found a bag labeled yellows, orc, and pisum fulvum. Orc were easy to separate from non orc. And there were some large very black seeds in the mix that I can only ascribe to pisum fulvum. Either they are full p. Fulvum, a natural hybrid, or not at all (not likely given my black seeded pisum Sativum was about 6-10ft away in another row. Thing is, these seeds are much larger than the ones I planted. I have noticed leaf cutter bees in my garden two seasons ago. They are the types that cross pollinate the legume alfalfa, so it's very possible with my dense pea plantings that they have been pollinating some. The black seeds did come from a curled explosive pod.
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Jan 11, 2020 23:08:34 GMT -5
I also am interested.
I know some health issues cropped up at one point and she had quite a backlog at one point and her website got hacked but then was back up.
She has been more active on the OSSI forum more recently. Try asking this question on that forum as well.
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Jan 11, 2020 23:02:29 GMT -5
I second Sugar Magnolia a try. Probably the best tasting commercial purple podded variety. And it does have hyper tendrils. That is why my red snap line has them now, sugar magnolia was the purple parent variety. Bicolor purple flowers, yes. A keeper.
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Jan 8, 2020 22:55:56 GMT -5
I just got some unused seed from my red-podded line back in preparation for spring and using them for breeding (they failed taste tests, but were good growers and nice dwarf habit in Maine). I've taken what I have and selected out the most wrinkled seeds I can. I'm hoping that they may have more sugar genes in the seed which would help contribute to flavor. I also found several oddities in the batch that have reddish or purple seeds. A trait known to be in golden sweet, but I can't recall seeing it in the reds. (Wonder if they might be crossed seed with biskopens or just environmentally purple for one generation only). I selected them as well. I plan on starting these all in trays and selecting out of these if possible for hyper tendrils. I saw a few plants last couple of seasons with red pods AND hyper-tendrils! Im planning on crossing the best of this line with Dan Quickerts legacy 'Midnight Snow'. I'm still sad I have not been able to share this variety more widely. It's my best purple snow pea. By crossing Midnight Snow with my red I hope to keep in all the relevant dominant and co-dominant purple genes (hopefully in homozygous pairs) and only need a second generation for yellow (and thus red pods to segregate back out). Hopefully speed breeding to obtain an excellent red podded snow line (with hyper tendrils and sweet taste and good flavor). I think its better to cross a red with a purple than a red with a yellow. Though anything is better than crossing a red with a green. If you have any superior yellow lines those might be okay to use. But a superior purple (still rare) would be better. Can't wait to plant in March.
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Jan 7, 2020 17:13:09 GMT -5
I'm collecting wild sunflowers for you
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Dec 21, 2019 23:49:24 GMT -5
Tomatoville.com is no longer closing down, apparently. Mischka made legal threats against anyone who copies the data. So, be careful. Tomatovillians.com isn't shutting down, either. But it is changing it's domain to TomatoJunction.com soon. Many of Tomatoville's users migrated there, as well as many who wanted to register with Tomatoville but couldn't. TomatoJunction isn't affiliated with Tomatoville. It's worth noting that most of the people who were involved with free seed offers and swaps migrated to Tomato Junction. I'm not entirely surprised. Mischka and others who ally themselves as his friends are often vile and nasty in my experience. I don't use the term lighty, but they truly are tomato Nazis. Too bad, I was hoping such a toxic atmosphere would close down.
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Dec 10, 2019 21:24:58 GMT -5
interesting. I actually was wondering about if it would recently. It's as if i could see ahead.
I think there are several from the dwarf tomato project signed up already on the OSSI forum, so i'm sure talk about it will pick up in the near future if tomatoville is indeed shutting down. But the thing about forums is that if noone asks or talks about a topic or never starts a thread on it, then it might never come up. The OSSI forum has a decent amount of members despite being new, but very few of those actually post anything. Perhaps because they don't feel like they have anything to contribute?
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Dec 10, 2019 21:13:53 GMT -5
Hi Dewdrop, I'm sure there are plenty that should taste better than Wando or Tom Thumb, but great that you have an interest in peas in general! Traditionally White flowered peas are said to taste sweeter to most people. Perhaps that is because of linked tannin genes or because of something else i am not sure. Some people seem to think anthocyanins (purple color) themselves taste slightly bitter, but i personally have found no such correlation. If linked tannin genes are involved it is probably possible to unlink them through plant breeding. Of the ones you mentioned i have only tasted and grown Blue Podded Pea/Blauwschokkers. It is a nice novelety and worth growing once for color, but as for flavor it is not great at all. Not great taste in the peas themselves either, it is indeed more of a soup pea than a shelling pea despite the leathery pods that shell easily. Shiraz is a newer one but it does indeed taste awful from my opinion as well. Rebsie has trialed some of the other blue podded ones that i think you may have mentioned. daughterofthesoil.blogspot.com/As for me the only purple podded ones i can recommend are the ones from Alan Kapuler (Sugar Magnolia (purple snap) & Spring Blush (purple-blushed snap)). These two are snap peas, but they taste great and are fairly heat tolerant from what i can tell. I would give Sugar Magnolia a shot if you have never grown it. It is a keeper. I have never tried to eat it solely as a shelling pea, but i'm pretty sure the peas themselves have good sugar genes and good flavor, so i imagine they might work ok for a shelling despite the snap pod. Snap pods tend to squish pea seeds into a barrel shape, so it may not function as good as a true shelling pea in that regard. The best purple podded pea i have tried and have in my collection is a Purple Snow pea 'Midnight Snow' originally bred by Dan Quickert in California. As far as i know i am the only one who still has seed and is still growing it, but it is awesome. I am planning to use it as the main source of good tasty genetics to cross with my red-podded pea that does not taste good. I have high hopes this will speed up my efforts for a good tasting red-podded pea variety. I will do that this spring! As for yellow podded, there is really only 'Golden Sweet' and 'Opal Creek' Snap. Golden Sweet is not really that sweet, but looks nice. Opal Creek tastes much better, but has small wimpy snap pods in my climate as as such i no longer grow it. I don't know that opal creek does have much heat tolerance really. Golden Sweet might. I still have a soft spot in my heart for golden sweet despite no longer growing it. It has wonderful yellow pods unlinke any other and purple flowers to boot! Worth growing once if nothing else for the beauty. In my opinion some of the best tasting green podded peas that are still sweet when VERY large and plump seeds are these varieties: 'Carouby de Maussane', 'Bijou', and 'Green Beauty'. Green Beauty has purple colored flowers and still tastes great!! I personally think these three are the ones you need to try if you want shelling peas. They also would do well as giant stir fry snow peas!
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Nov 8, 2019 16:51:40 GMT -5
Yes Andrew, I think you are the one who found the paper. I can’t find it either. Will update when I have progress. Found it! reed! I have an idea! Apparently you only need to cover one leaf on each plant to get them to flower early! I think this would work on non-day-neutral teosinte! www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cDovL2l0dW5lc2NvbnRlbnQudWNkYXZpcy5lZHUvbWVkaWEvMjAwOS9XSS9QTEIxMTIvMTAwLnJzcw&episode=aHR0cDovL2l0dW5lc2NvbnRlbnQudWNkYXZpcy5lZHUvbWVkaWEvMjAwOS9XSS9QTEIxMTIvUExCMTEyLTFfMjAwOS0wMy0wNS5tcDMThis course, taught by UC Davis plant biology professor John Harada, focuses on the mechanisms and control processes that underlie plant growth, development and response to the environment, with primary attention devoted to flowering plants. Topics are selected to emphasize developmental concepts applicable to several aspects of plant growth and development. Material is presented by discussing experiments employing the approaches of morphology, physiology, genetics, and cell and molecular biology that were used to discover the biological information. (The course is targeted to upper division undergraduate students who have taken an introductory biology course and a genetics course. The audience is primarily general biology majors who do not specialize on plants.) "Podcast" plant growth and development winter 2009, episode #4, transition to flowering. I wonder if this would help easier than the covering one leaf thing. www.htgsupply.com/products/agromax-730-nm-led/Far red led supplemental lighting. But I think you would only want to do it at the end of the day. www.maximumyield.com/far-red-lighting-and-the-phytochromes/2/17443
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Oct 24, 2019 17:26:07 GMT -5
Just an idea: Wouldn`t it be helpful to cross diploperennis to tripsacum to get an cold tolerant perennial plant to cross with maize afterwards? I found a paper saying such hybrids withstand 0F for 3 or 4 days were perennial and drought tolerant. Just an idea. I have no space and time to do it. link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02862921 Not a bad idea. The last time i tried to grow Eastern Gamma Grass i was unable to germinate any (that i know of). It could be worth trying again, and is an interesting idea. The work done by Mary Eubanks is very interesting indeed.
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Oct 8, 2019 10:37:35 GMT -5
You should watch the spot these were planted (unless you'll be reusing it next year) as I'm wondering if some of the seeds will be delayed by a year to germinate. I should have had way better germination from what I planted and did not.
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Oct 4, 2019 20:56:45 GMT -5
With nearing frost I called it the end of the season and harvested all [citron x watermelon] hybrids. The citron rind pattern is pretty apparent this year. I may try cutting into the yellowest rind to see if it has domestic flesh, but ideally I'd like to breed for that trait on the surface to be more yellow when more ripe with a domestic sweet flesh. What throws a wrench into all this is the delayed ripening genes from the citron melons. It may take several weeks or months for them to be at peak ripening even though a domestic would be ripe now.
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Welcome!
Oct 3, 2019 7:55:44 GMT -5
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Oct 3, 2019 7:55:44 GMT -5
Welcome all! I've noticed a lot of new names lately here and on the Open Source Seed Initiative Forum, so welcome!
No need to be shy even if you don't know what your doing or don't have an "official" breeding project.
So Welcome! The more people post the more interesting things we have to read!
-Andrew
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Welcome!
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Sept 27, 2019 8:45:29 GMT -5
Welcome!
We seem to be getting a few new members even though a large portion of old members are absent (or silent). But welcome!
The best thread on squash from my memory is the one where Joseph describes with pictures how to identify different squash species. I'll see if I can track it down.
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Sept 26, 2019 7:03:18 GMT -5
I tasted only an unripe Citron x Watermelon cross that tasted like a sweet cucumber. Very nice. And a ripe Carosello that tasted a bit less sweet melon. I let the other fruits on the vines as long as possible to be sure as many as possible seeds are ripe. Nice! I think seeds continue to develop in the fruit after picked if picked early. Kinda Like pumpkins and squash.
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