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Post by Alan on Jan 13, 2009 13:41:29 GMT -5
Perhaps Tim you can give me some starting points on Perrinializing Oats when you have some time? It would be much appreciated!
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Post by mybighair on Jan 13, 2009 16:07:13 GMT -5
Perennial Oats are one of the more enticing prospects for me. I'm interested in all perennial crops but porridge from perennial Oats would be something.
Alan, if your If your planing a breeding project for perennial Oats I'd happily sign up to assist. It's already on my "must give that a go at some point list" along with perennial Barley.
Guess its time to do some more serious research on the subject.
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Post by bunkie on Jan 14, 2009 14:18:00 GMT -5
count me in too for any projects perennial!
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Post by canadamike on Jan 14, 2009 18:10:19 GMT -5
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Post by bunkie on Jan 15, 2009 12:04:24 GMT -5
hey michel, did you get your p. wheat yet? val just got hers, so you should be getting it very soon.
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Post by atimberline on Jan 16, 2009 10:39:29 GMT -5
Perhaps Tim you can give me some starting points on Perrinializing Oats when you have some time? It would be much appreciated! Alan, I note I can't send you any personal messages... maybe you have it that way for some good reason. ...anyhow, perennializing hulless oats... First you need to find a genetics/chemistry that will induce a regenerating of the type you can find acceptable. Out here in GA, where I live now, there are no perennial oat relatives that I have ever seen. Out in OR where I did most of my work and lived most of my life, there are feral oats, wild oats, and wild oat relatives to be found in many places, ...and in the harshest places I have found feral-wild oat populations with a weak primal perenniality, a perenniality which will less express itself on more fertile soils which induce a different chemistry within the plant. ...other than that, there are in places some wild grasses that are strongly perennial and which are very oat like but which, so far, have resisted my various attempts to hybridize either direction with oats of commerce. ....this perennializing of oats is not going to happen without a deeper contemplation of the matters we face in such an attempt, and more experimentation. ...I did embark on an attempt to bring together the divergents of some wild per. species, with the idea of creating a perennial 'oat'. ...but that was one of the things that had to give in my life... I did succeed in getting some bigger seeded selections ...but the grain was still a far cry from being anything like a cultivated oat. ...lets get some money together folks, and I tell you, together, we will make great things happen. Tim |
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Post by canadamike on Jan 16, 2009 15:36:48 GMT -5
I hear a call for grants and sponsorships...  |
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Post by bunkie on Dec 16, 2009 13:14:10 GMT -5
i did not plant any of the perennial wheat seed i saved from last year, this year. i was just curious as to how the seed i traded with a few of you here germinated and grew for you all this year?
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Post by stratcat on Dec 17, 2009 0:58:09 GMT -5
Hi, Bunkie. I started a small portion of the generous sample of perennial wheat you sent and got around 100% germination. Unfortunately, I got overwhelmed this gardening season and didn't dig up a patch of yard to get it planted in.  john |
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Post by mjc on Dec 17, 2009 1:20:32 GMT -5
I've got a couple of questions on the perennial wheat...
Is it a 'soft' or 'hard' wheat?
What kind of winter weather has it endured?
And most importantly...any one have some to share?
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Post by PatrickW on Dec 17, 2009 5:59:24 GMT -5
I've got a couple of questions on the perennial wheat... Is it a 'soft' or 'hard' wheat? What kind of winter weather has it endured? And most importantly...any one have some to share? Since you're new here you missed the earlier discussion. You might find it worthwhile to read the beginning of this thread. Anyway, Tim Peters is working on perennial grains, including perennial wheat. There is huge demand for perennial wheat, which is hard to propagate in sufficient quantity for everyone who wants it, but other grains like rye are easier and less popular. Tim Peters has begun trials of rye, that a few of us are participating in. In the future there will be other grains, including wheat available, with priority given to those who participated in the earlier grain trials. If you're interested in participating in the rye trials now, speak up! To try to give you a direct answer to your question about soft or hard, I don't think Tim Peters breeding has progressed to that stage yet. There are other breeders working on this too, and someone else may be to that stage by now. I'm not suggesting someone here may not have some seeds to share, but if you are really interested in it, now's your chance to get directly involved in the breeding work. |
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Post by mnjrutherford on Dec 17, 2009 8:19:50 GMT -5
Two things here:
1. Can we get a list of approximate planting times for each grain? (This is the sort of data that would be cool in archive.)
2. Tim, what about financial assistance? I'm not exactly sure what I mean here, nor the ramifications of sending you money. But I'm thinking that you might be able to make use of some steady funding? Like PBS, once a year donations? Maybe a monthly payment of a few dollars? Maybe it would be helpful if someone purchased a microscope or some other equipment?
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Post by silverseeds on Dec 17, 2009 12:28:11 GMT -5
I do not think tim has any wheat to pass out this year..... Not long ago I contacted him through this site, about the perennial grains, and I do have various rye ascensions now, but he never did send the wheat. (Im not getting the best germination with the rye) I thought he was going to have me grow out alot of rye this year, but he didnt send it, atleast not yet, I guess I have a few more things coming my way. he is pretty busy now, from what I gather......
Actually all those tomatoes I am offering in that SASE thing, are from him, Im not positive about one or two of them but the rest were bred by him as well as the kale. He wanted me to plant them in the wild here, but I think its much to arid for that, so I have been sending them to whoever pays the postage. so far about 10 people maybe...... I still have enough for EVERYONE.... If you just want some to trade or pass out to people, or spread in the wild somewhere..... if you pay shipping they are yours.....
I cant wait until I get a good stash of this rye saved up, it has amazing potential in my area I think....... I planted about a third of what time sent me, then I planted nearly all of the rest of it, when he said I would get to grow it out for him this year, but he must have gotten to busy to send it.
and jo..... I surely cant speak for Tim, but I know he could surely use money for his research, Im sure prayer or some positive thoughts or whatever would be much appreciated by him..... I sent him 25 for his research costs, and if the second package he plans to send costs as much as the first he would have spent money out of pocket just to get me those seeds.....he is a very good person with a good heart, and amazing projects, he deserves any and all help anyone can send his way imo.......
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Post by mnjrutherford on Dec 17, 2009 17:50:50 GMT -5
I'm totally with ya about finances Zac. I'm going to have a little cash available in a couple months for a monthly allotment. BUT, would a monthly allotment be as good as an annual allotment? Or perhaps a piece of equipment? These are questions Tim will have to answer for us. Maybe a wish list? Maybe some postal equipment to streamline the mailing process? Maybe a couple or three of us could go together on a Stamps.com account and get him a scale and postage printer and fund a postage account? Do we need to be concerned with tax ramifications?
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Post by bunkie on Dec 19, 2009 15:04:03 GMT -5
thanks for the response strat! glad the germination rate was high....and good thing you didn't plant it all! they can take a lot of punishment before going into the ground, and reinvent themselves nicely!
as far as the months to plant in, as patrick said, there's a lot of info by tim on past posts in this thread. he said both the perennial wheat and perennial rye can be started in cells or in the ground. they need to be planted in July or August.
however, i made the mistake of starting them in cells sometime in March or April last year and putting them in the ground in May. the rye produced beards, but no seed. the wheat produced a huge bunch of seed, which is what i distributed to others last year. of the 75 plus p. rye plants, all returned this spring and produced heavily in seed. of the 75 plus p. wheat plants, only about 6 or 7 plants returned of which i have gathered seed and will plant next year, in hopes for a better return.
mjc, i have written david at 'peters seed and research' and tim about whether this Ezzer perennial wheat i have is hard or soft. will post when i hear from them.
mjc, as far as the weather both can take, we go down below 0 for a few days during winter, about -5F to -20F. we also get lots of feet of snow. so, these plants are really really really hardy!
mjc, let me see what i have left for spare seed. i know zac wanted some too. won't be much....till next year.
i have a question about planting this seed in the wild, like zac mentioned. is this a wise thing to do? like this year i got the Ergot thing. if this happened in a wild area unchecked, that wouldn't be so good, would it?
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