HOW TO START A BUSINESS WITHOUT REALLY TRYING!

[americangardener]

Ah.. you know i'm not taking that as a put down.. i apprecaite it.. the world would be alot more difficult to handle if all there were were yes you can people.. there's gotta be someone saying what if.. maybe.. and even no sometimes. Otherwise i'd never be prepared for all the what ifs. Gotta have some balance you know. I take everything you say as helpfull.

You're one of my best consultants there Michel.

Is it really that expensive for a phone book ad there.. geeze it's been awhile i guess.. last time i had a phone book ad was bout 18 years ago and it was only $385. Not that i would even consider it for this new business. Heck i'm gonna even try not to sell in michigan if i can avoid it. I hate collecting state taxes and all the extra bookkeeping that goes along with it.

I suppose eventually i'll get a B&M store.. but till then i'm gonna try and do everything on the net. And till then i'm not gonna be needing any phone book ads. Only thing i can see anyone looking up the number for my company would be someone who already knows the name and just lost the number. And that will probably be a call to information anyways. I dunno maybe i'll get another 800 number eventually too.. but for now it's not in the plans.

I'm still waiting for some good reasons not to choose this name. So far i'm still pleaseed with it. I kind like the idea of it no longer being Daves Seeds, or Mikes seeds, or yourseeds or myseeds, or our seeds or their seeds.. now it's gonna be everyones seeds. Can't help it it's just growing on me.

[grunt]

Dave: Michel is right about the way search engines rate sites. Name has little to do with it, unless it happens to contain "trigger" words. Sites get rated for each word contained on the site, so if you want to get a higher posting, you have to include more of the "trigger" words on your site, that people might use to look for your seeds. I had this pointed out to me by the person who runs the site that hosts an article she wrote about Val and I, that dates back to before we really got into the seed bank thing. Try doing a search for heirloom vegetable gardens, and that site is first on google. Do the same search but drop the "s" off of garden, and it comes up first again, and Caudill's blog about the article comes up third.
As the person who hosts the site explained to me, use all of the words that you think will be used in a search for what your site offers, and use them fairly frequently on the site. That article was first posted in either 2005 or 2006, and still sits in first place with those search terms. The use of "trigger" words is why you often find sites with a whole string of not necessarily related words someplace on the web page.
I know this is not the clearest, or most correct explanation of how search engines operate, but I am sure that there will be someone here who can correct the inconsistencies in what I've said. (please do).
Cheers
Dan

[PatrickW]

Google is thought to look at hundreds of things on a website when it considers how to rate your site for a particular search, and what Dan just said and the others before him is right, key word or 'trigger' words are one of those things and you can improve your chances for a particular word or phrase by using it several times. I had this in mind when I wrote this article on 'weed burners':

www.patnsteph.net/weblog/?p=21

The thing you have to really ask yourself is if this is useful for anything? If so, than it certainly works.

Really, mostly Google is just smart enough to know what a good looking and intelligently laid out site looks like and realize it should give it a higher rank.

What's probably more important than scoring well for a particular search is your Google Page Rank or PR. To improve this you really need to get a lot of other high ranking sites to link to you. You can start by adding yourself to the DMOZ (www.dmoz.org) and other public sites that accept link submissions. Really in the end it comes down to one of two things. You either have to pay someone to provide you with a lot of bogus links, or you have to have content that people want to link to.

By the way, you can look at the PR of internet sites either by installing the Google Toolbar on your computer or going to this site:
www.prchecker.info/check_page_rank.php

Really I think the best place to start is to figure out what you are going to sell, create a website with as much useful information as possible that looks as good as possible, then think about how to improve it. When you get to that last step, I can give you a hand if you like, just send me a PM.

[canadamike]

Whooops!! The braintrust engine finally jumpstarted!!

[sandbar]

Few thoughts on domain names:

- Be certain it is a *.com address. Don't bother with *.net, *.org, etc.
- If you go with EveryonesSeeds.com, also register EveryoneSeeds.com which
is an easy misspelling.

[americangardener]

Nov 8, 2008 13:59:00 GMT -5 canadamike said:

Whooops!! The braintrust engine finally jumpstarted!!

Yeah.. see what you started Michel!! And here was thinking i was just stating an obsure fact about phone books.

I'm not even working on the website yet. But i appreciate everyones advice and comments now that i got em. I do need to get started on that i guess. I was putting it off till later on.. but now that i think about it more.. the winter will probably be the best time to start working on it since everyone will be getting busy as heck come summer. Seems i have alot of people here who know more than me about setting it up. I did know about the key words and the search engines.. but as to how to put together a webpage i'm just about as naive as they come. I know what i want on there.. and got a pretty good idea how i want it to look.. but as to how to get what i want on the page itself i'm gonna have to learn as i go. I know i got several people who are offering to help... so if anyone wants to work on one.. i'm thinking i could purchase the domain name and find a provider right after i get the incorporation taken care of. It's just something i'd like to do first so i can open an account in the Company name and start doing the bookkeeping for it. Rather than start paying for everything first and then having to figure out how to keep track of the company expenses and my own, which weren't company expenses.

As for anyone else following along wondering about how to set up a business.. i'm gonna get back later on with some info on the business plan and possibly some of the easier parts of it where i can put em in messages here. I wasn't planning on posting the entire BP here.. but now that i think about it it might help for some of you to get an idea or two from my attempts. So, i think i will post some parts of it now.

I'm still trying to go in order of things you all will need to do.. but business planning is a jumbled mess.. you need to think about everything first.. then put it in the plan.. then you can get on with doing the actual work afterwards. If you try to do all the ideas you have right now without getting the plan done you just run out of time to do everything, you get too busy with the projects, and forget where you're at. So, that's why i stress taking the time to do the plan first. I know i got a few of the projects already started.. and you may need to do it that way too... but, mine are because the time sensitive nature of what needs to be set up. If i were to actually start selling now, i know i'd get swamped with the packaging and shipping end of the business and i wouldn't even have time to work on the marketing plan or even getting my inventory organized properly.

So, for me.. i'm still working on the BP... and if anyone wants to help out with a website.. i'll be glad to talk details. I just can't use it till i get the actual site ready. I'll just save everything in here till then.

Dave

[americangardener]

Well, i'm back at it again.

I'm back to bore ya all once again. Just a little update.. for those of you who i may be trading with this year... which i don't think it's any of you guys.. i know i'm a little behind on getting my packages out. I should be caught up in a day or two.

Today, i'm back to working on the Business plan. For anyone doing one yourself.. might i suggest putting everything into a notepad file or whatever word proccessing programs you use on your computer. It's a real pain transcribing everything over from paper notebooks. It's great if your computer dies.. but i'm thinking once i get this legible i'll be putting it up on my blog.. that will cover that base just as well. And it's like killing three birds with one stone... i can releive everyone not interested in it by just putting a link to my blog in here... i can update my blog and bore those people, and i can have a back up copy in case my computer crashes before i can get a new printer cartridge.

I believe i read it on your blog Patrick about the code numbers on the ink cartridges.. if it was you.. you have no idea how usefull that info was. I have the HP printer and i can't use it cause my printer keeps saying it's out of ink.. even though i bought a re-fill kit and refilled it. Now i know why. And it just so happens i have two of these now.. so all i'll be needing to buy is one more. Yes indeed very usefull info for me.

For those of you advising on the website. Has anyone checked out BVGardeners new site? I know Jay just made it public yesterday.. but this has got to be the easiest to use database i've ever seen. www.txtomatogardener.com/dbfrontpage.html

Now that's something i could use for my plans for my website.. just wondering if anyone here would know how to set something like that up? Cause i know i sure don't. I could see all kinds of possiblities for something like that. All the different types of veggies having a seperate database like that?

Don't know about the rest of you guys.. but i like companies that make it as simple as possible for me to find what i want as quickly as possible. I really like that set up.

Just looking for opinions though.. there's other possiblilties.. anyone know how difficult something like that would be for an amateur like me to set up? Or any suggestions for when i do get ready to get started. You know it's not that far away where i'll be ready to take on that task.

Ok.. now more boring stuff.. for anyone looking to do a business plan here's a basic outline.

I. Table of Contents
II. Executive Summary
III. General Company Description
IV. Products and Services
V. Marketing Plan
VI. Operational Plan
VII. Management and Organization
VIII. Personal Financial Statement
IX. Startup Expenses and Capitalization
X. Financial Plan
XI. Appendices

I'll get back later and bore everyone some more by coveing some of these parts of a BP. Remember it's just a basic outline.. you can modify components of it for your own needs depending on how you're setting up the business and if you're seeking financing or not. And just keep in mind it's a work in progress.. even after you get the plan done you can always go and make changes as you think of new things or go in different directions with new ideas.
XII. Refining the Plan

Here's where i'll be boring everyone else:
worldwidegardenseeds.blogspot.com/

Course don't look now.. i'll be putting a rough draft up there tonite..

Dave

[zephyrbird6a]

I found this thread very inspiring, AG! I was a corporate legal secretary for over 20 years, and I daresay you got in going on with the S corp thing. Well done! It seems dry and boring, but yeah, we ALL need to consider S vs. C corp, LLC, whether we want a BOD, etc., if we're going into business no matter how big or small.

For me, I find after three businesses with partners, it's: "There's one cook in this kitchen, and THAT'S ME!" I'm a workaholic, nose to the grindstone late at night person. If it's your dream, you can't expect others to work as hard as you will. That was a hard lesson for me.

Ahyup! Business plans can be daunting, but taken one section at a time they become easier to conquer. Even if a person is not going to ask for initial startup money, it's good to have it down on paper for your own reference.

My other advice, as the crew said on Galaxy Quest: "Never give up, never surrender!"

Another little gem: spend every penny as though it's the last you'll ever see. I lost a lot of money before I learned THAT lesson.

The average SUCCESSFUL business person has started and failed at least 3 or 4 businesses before succeeding. "Never give up, never surrender!"

I like the idea of what you're doing, AG.. Wish I had growout space to offer. From something you asked in a previous posting in this thread: I consider CUSTOMER SERVICE to be one of the most important considerations in my deciding what online companies to use. If they're friendly, willing to help, considerate and personable, they get my money even tho another company might be a little cheaper.

I buy own-root roses for demo purposes in my garden, I consult on what roses peeps might want to grow, and I grow out 3"x3"x6" size roses for customers until they're ready for transplantation. I spent probably $1,000 at one company rather than the other because of CS. I want to know the company I'm buying from cares about their customers.

[americangardener]

Nov 28, 2008 0:55:41 GMT -5 zephyrbird6a said:

I found this thread very inspiring, AG! I was a corporate legal secretary for over 20 years, and I daresay you got in going on with the S corp thing. Well done! It seems dry and boring, but yeah, we ALL need to consider S vs. C corp, LLC, whether we want a BOD, etc., if we're going into business no matter how big or small.

For me, I find after three businesses with partners, it's: "There's one cook in this kitchen, and THAT'S ME!" I'm a workaholic, nose to the grindstone late at night person. If it's your dream, you can't expect others to work as hard as you will. That was a hard lesson for me.

Thanks for the words of wisdom Michelle.. It's nice to get advice from someone who's got experience. I know there's gonna be a few complications with trying to run an S-corp and still trying to get all my friends onboard. Seems i've got friends from all around the world. I did check what i could from the Michigan.gov site about corporations.. and i didn't see anything that said i couldn't have shareholders from anywhere. Near as i can figure if anything such as having a majority of shareholders from other countries i'd just need to file the paperwork for foreign owned corps doing business in Mi. But, i don't see that is gonna happen... but, if it should it shouldn't be a problem. I think the biggest challenge will be the requirement for monthly board meetings. Now, i'm figuring i'll keep the board down to a bare minimum for at least the first year.. just to keep from running into too many issues like with the annual election and those board meetings. I'm actually thinking i could have the BoD meetings online. My idea was to use the chat feature here to do it.. and CanadaMike suggested i get skype... which i have no idea how that works.. but it does sound like it'd work for my purposes. We'll see... I'll figure out something... but i still want to try and set it up to get all my online friends involved.. whether it'll be perfectly legal or not i don't really care. Let someone from the gov. complain and then i'll change it.

I've had a few businesses before in the past myself.. i think i've been running businesses longer than i've worked for anyone. First one was a partnership.. that while it wasn't great, it wasn't a total failure either.. my partner was. That one was a real struggle when i had an alcoholic partner that would work 2-3 days then dissappear for weeks.. come back work a couple more days.. then dissappear. Couldn't handle him not working so i hired someone to do his job. Course he didn't like that much and he went and tried to drain the bank accounts. Didn't work.. but he tried. I say it wasn't a total failure cause i did make good money at it.. but it was a bad set up and i just couldn't handle that one any longer.

I've done sole proprietorships when i was younger.. and back then they worked out well.. it's just that i wouldn't want to take so much risk with a venture this large.. so those are out.

And i did an S-corp before.. which really didn't do much of anything for 5 years. Just so happened i started a non-profit at the same time.. and just wasn't enough hours in the day to run both effectively. I let the S-corp go dormant. Did learn all the paperwork and filing requirements and such for the operations though. So, that's why i feel most comfortable with trying it again... you know it's gotta be easier the second time.

I agree about having one Cook.. but that's not a problem when i have a whole room full of chefs to select from. I don't have to be the one. I'd just as soon just go back to growing my garden and saving seeds if i could. Get someone else to do the cooking. And then we'd all be able to feast. But, for now i guess i'm the cook.

Ahyup! Business plans can be daunting, but taken one section at a time they become easier to conquer. Even if a person is not going to ask for initial startup money, it's good to have it down on paper for your own reference.

Yeah it is daunting.. seems so simple to do when you're just thinking bout it. I have a million ideas.. the problem is getting em down on paper in somewhat of an organized fashion. I did put up a rough draft on my blog the other day.. now it seems as if it's outta sight and outta mind. Probably should get back to work on that. It's still got a long way to go before i'll be happy with it.

But, i do know from past experience.. say like with my partnership.. it's a nightmare trying to run a business when you don't have one. Then with the non-profit.. how much smoother things go when you have the directions already written out. So, i guess that's my next task.. rewriting the cookbook. And who knows.. maybe i will use it someday to go for financing. I have found a few groups that invest in seed companys.. don't know if i'll ever approach em for grants or loans. But at least it'd be an option besides the banks. (if i should ever need it)

My other advice, as the crew said on Galaxy Quest: "Never give up, never surrender!"

I won't!.. This is my last hurrah.. it's do or die trying.

Another little gem: spend every penny as though it's the last you'll ever see. I lost a lot of money before I learned THAT lesson.

Oh.. i always do. Least with business finances. Can't say my personal spending habits are all that great.. i do gamble too much and give away all my money to my kids. But, seems i have two personalitys when it comes to businesses.. those i watch every penny like a hawk. Not that i don't splurge on advertising or say a toll free line every once in a while.. but those are still more calculated risks than a true gamble. There's gotta be at least an expectation of getting a decent return for the expense. And if they don't pay off .. i just cut my losses and try other things.

The average SUCCESSFUL business person has started and failed at least 3 or 4 businesses before succeeding. "Never give up, never surrender!"

Guess i've got that base covered then.. I've failed twice and was successfull several times. My 501(c)3 is still doing very well.. had a multi-million dollar buget when i retired bout 8 years ago and is still going strong.

I like the idea of what you're doing, AG.. Wish I had growout space to offer. From something you asked in a previous posting in this thread: I consider CUSTOMER SERVICE to be one of the most important considerations in my deciding what online companies to use. If they're friendly, willing to help, considerate and personable, they get my money even tho another company might be a little cheaper.

Hey.. ya don't really need to do growouts to help out... i take advice too! I can see the customer service is gonna be something i'm gonna have to work on. I've had an excellent track record back when i sold seeds on Ebay a couple years ago.. but this will be something different. I can see where setting up the 800 number just might be a must have.. but, then i'd must have someone answering the line too.... i can only do so much by myself. As for returns and complaints.. i think i've always been more than fair with those... least on a small scale.

I buy own-root roses for demo purposes in my garden, I consult on what roses peeps might want to grow, and I grow out 3"x3"x6" size roses for customers until they're ready for transplantation. I spent probably $1,000 at one company rather than the other because of CS. I want to know the company I'm buying from cares about their customers.

Now, roses sound like a great business.. not something i'd be any good at.. but for someone who loves em as much as you it's great. And i've spent $1,000 at one seed company myself back when i was growing for market. I don't spend 1/100th of that now that i save my own seeds. I'd love to find a few customers like you and i when i do get this thing up and running. Might be a few years before i'd get enough quantity of seed to be able to offer bulk sizes.. but one of these days that's something i'd like to go after is the home market gardeners and farmers.

Anyways.. it was nice hearing from ya.. anytime you want to get me rambling on some more.. i'm always here.

Dave

[johno]

Chiming in kind of late in the game here... Dave, are you aware of what used to be called "freewebs?" Here's a wikipedia bit on them: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freewebs

and their site: www.webs.com/index.jsp (They are just called "webs" now.)

I'm told this is a good way to go...

[mostlypurple]

...so, any updates for us?
How's that steering committee coming together? Are you incorporated?

I was just thinking, have you ever bought books on amazon.com? I mean, you can buy directly from amazon, or you can also buy from 3rd parties who list their book on amazon and set thier own prices. Maybe having an option for individual growers to open an account like you do on Amazon, to list whatever they can, whenever they want, would simplify your need for keeping track of inventory. I have both bought and sold books on amazon. I'm thinking that structuring things similar to the way amazon does, might suit your vision better than modeling JL hudson. Quite frankly, Hudson's vegetable inventory is on the small side and it's a pain to navigate.

just an idea...

[mostlypurple]

wanted to bump this one up.

[americangardener]

OK Ok purple.. I get the hint.

I know it's been a while since my last update. I suppose it's time to let everyone know what's going on with the start up. I've told a few of you about it.

Things aren't going as scheduled everyone. Last month was a bad one for me financially. Had a really bad storm that tore down the electric lines and ripped the electric meter right off the outside wall of the house. Had to pay for materials to repair that and on top of that my youngest daughter had car problems. Her radiatior froze solid with this minus 20 degree weather we had around the end of last month and then she drove her car like that not knowing it was frozen. Didn't realize till the car was smoking up a storm. Had to pay for towing and then on top of that had to get a new radiator from the place that had towed the car cause hers was leaking like a seive after that. That set me back another $580 on top of the money i had to pay for the new meter box and cables. So, that's my excuse for being behind schedule on the filing of the articles of incorporation. Just couldn't afford it on top of everything else.

So, this is where it stands right now. I'll have enough money to do the filing of the articles.. and hopefully enough left to get a host for the website next week. It'll just be a month behind schedule. As you can tell i'm still working on lining up voulenteers and sending out samples for this years trials. So, the time hasn't been completely wasted.. I just rearraged the order of some of the things that need to be done.

Now the filing isn't gonna go as smoothly as i'd hoped either. Right now my printer isn't working. It's not the printer it's the computer. My printer stopped working about 4 months ago when it ran out of ink. Then i kept getting that darn "cannot communicate with printer" message every time after that. I figured no big deal.. i'd get a new ink cartidge and it'd be back to normal. I figured wrong. Went and spent $59 on two new ink cartridges only to find out it still won't work. Like i said the problem isn't the printer it's the computer. My XP program isn't working right. It won't let me re-install anything from the CD to fix the drivers for the printer. Keeps telling me my install wizard is corrupt. So, that's where that stands. I can't use the printer and it's making everything twice as hard as it needs to be. I can't very well re-install XP without losing all the data i have on my harddrive right now. And i'm figuring the solution would be to buy a flash drive... transfer all my data to that... then reformat and re-install my XP program on my harddrive and then i can take all my data and put it back into it again. This of course takes money i don't have right now.. and time.

So, for the applications which i need to print out from my harddrive to send in to the IRS and the state i'm gonna put it on a floppy disk. Go to the library and print it out so that i can get it mailed in. Shouldn't take long. And then i'll be back on schedule.. albeit a little behind and not able to do things as efficiently until i can get these problems fixed. As you can tell if you've received samples from me.. all the labels are hand written. Very time consuming and frustrating considering i have all that info and more on my computer. And frustrating cause by hand writing everything.. i don't get copies of it saved on the harddrive. And i don't like doing everything twice so that'll mean more work later on to do what i could of done all at once.

Ok.. enough about the problems. Several people have contacted me offering help with the website. That'll be priority one next week. I'm gonna select a host and then figure out how to design a web page. I've gotten some suggestions.. like using wikipidea for the website. You know like Tanias site. But, i'm more leaning towards something else. I'd like to set it up more like a spreadsheet like BVgardeners site. I like that for ease of use for the customers... they don't have to go from page to page to find things. And from a practical point it'd be something that will handle massive amouts of varieties once the listings expand. Right now of course.. that's not really neccessary. I'm hoping i can list a few hundred tomatoes and peppers and then probably try and do anywheres from 20-50 of each of other things. It'll definately be less than a thousand varieties i'm gonna offer to start out.. might even be less than 500. But, it'll be something to start with. And the website is still scheduled to be up and running next fall. I think i'm still ok there.

Ok.. now you ask about the steering commitee. I don't have one yet. Haven't found enough people who are interested in being a part of the company yet. I've got maybe 5 or so people who've contacted me asking about becoming investors. And then of course as you now know i haven't got the stocks yet and i've been delaying contacting them about that. I suppose i should of asked if they'd like to be part of the steering committee to help with the planning.. but frankly i have just been too busy and i forgot. That'll be something i'll need to work on this month too. The trial packets are just about all sent out for now. So, that'll free up some time there to work on the planning again.

The way i see it.. since i'm only gonna be limited to 35 shareholders.. i'm gonna try and be a bit picky with who becomes one. Ideally i'd like someone who's not gonna just buy one share and not participate anymore. That wouldn't be good! I'd like to have shareholders who are interested in becoming board members.. and also who wouldn't mind investing on a more regualar basis. I know my dad used to have an investment club with all his co-workers. They had it set up where each of them invested $50 a month to purchase stocks with. It may not seem like much but he had around twenty of his co-workers in the club.. so it added up. I'd like to set some arrangements like that up if i can. But, as of now.. it's all still in the idea stage. As for the board of directors.. again with the problems. As you all know by now i'm gonna be required to hold monthly meetings of the board of directors. It's part of the rules for S-corps. So what i was thinking is keeping the board of directors small for now. Maybe just the basics.. Pres, vice pres, secretary, treasurer, etc. Maybe 5 or 6 people for now. And as i think i've mentioned before i was thinking of having the board meetings online here in the chatroom if it'd be ok with Alan. If not we could set some other way up for the meeting. And nope.. Michel.. i don't have Skype yet. As i keep telling everyone.. my computer won't let me install any new programs.

Is that enough of an update for you guys yet? Don't know how many people i've told this yet. But, the initial stock purchase from the state is gonna be 100,000 shares. I'm having them put the intial offering price at 10 per share. That'll be the company will have a book value of $1 million when all shares are issued. May take me ten years to issue all the intial shares.. but that's not a problem. It gives me the room to work and it is a nice round numbers to work with. And as i've mentioned already in some places.. maybe even here. I'm planning to issue shares to the people who are helping me with doing seed increases. If they'll go for it.. i'm hoping i can use the shares like cash. When i purchase the seed increases from them.. i can pay with some or most of the purchases with a share of the company. I don't know what you all think about it.. but, in my head it works out. I may not be explaining it well though. That's something i can get into more details about later. Not that i can do it with everyone.. again the 35 shareholder limit. And i've got over 40 people who are trialing seeds this year... so if they all grew for increases there'd definately be some people who i'd have to purchase seeds from using cash. And as mentioned above.. i want shareholders who want to participate with the operations of the business as well. So that's something i've gotta be carefull with. And i want to leave a few open spaces for expansion. I figure 30 shareholders is the limit for now. That'd leave me some wiggle room for later on if i want to contact some venture capitialists about investing.

Anyways.. what did i forget this time? I think i've just about updated all my plans for now. I've still got people sending me logo designs for the seed packets.. Thanks Angie! and I haven't gotten around to setting up my suppliers for materials yet. That i'm hoping i can do in a couple months. Again.. financially it'll have to wait. Too bad too.. cause i've seen some of the things on sale right now.

Ok.. i'm done for now... any questions?

Dave

[americangardener]

OK folks.. just in case you think i gave up on my plans i haven't. Just been prioritizing my time to do other things besides updating this thread. I haven't been doing everything i said i would do when i started out. but the wheels are still turning. Just slower than expected. I'll be getting back here in the next few days hopefully to give you all an update if you're interested.

Business plans are still on track.. opening of business will still be this fall.. and i'm still looking for investors and growers. Ideally i'd get some serious people who are willing to commit to it on an ongoing basis. Investors as you know i'm limited to 35 so i have to maximize the businesses potential by finding people who can do double duty.. say like helping with the website or accounting or writing ad copy.. or growing seeds. What i'm not looking for are investors who want to just put in a few bucks for a few shares and then just sit back. I need people to be involved. Cause frankly i can't do it all myself. Sure i can committ to investing 200 a month into the business every month.. but i have alot more to worry bout than just the financial part of it. It's work organizing growers and getting the help i need on the set up... So anyone who can commit to something on an ongoing basis.. lets' talk business.

Anyways.. i'm not set up with the site yet.. still haven't incorporated.. and i'm only half way thru lining up suppliers for this fall. As i said.. i'll update this thread soon.

Dave

[redneckplanter]

ok dave i found it.
lets chat buzz when yu get time.
3 shares at 25.00 each?
or 4 for 100.00?
good luck on the fence.
rnp