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Post by atash on Aug 23, 2011 20:05:20 GMT -5
Ah, but that's the thing, Bud, I have already 2 squash that have both palatable flesh and naked seeds. You could cross to them and have a better chance of getting both.
They both need work though, for other issues such as vigor, compact fruit, and bigger seeds.
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Post by raymondo on Aug 23, 2011 23:22:30 GMT -5
Ah...well, in that case, I would definitely have space in the patch. I think one of Michel's naked seeded squash aslo had worthwhile flesh. I'll check back through the threads.
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Post by 12540dumont on Sept 3, 2011 19:24:59 GMT -5
This is the Long Island Little Greenseed. (now I've only opened 2 of them, so don't jump down my throat.) The first one had sweet flesh, no green seeds. As you can see, this one was loaded, not quite as sweet and a little dry. I think someone just needs to put the bows on this one. I made great pumpkin bars with this. (They're already gone). Attachments:
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Post by cesarz on Nov 2, 2011 4:40:56 GMT -5
Hi,
Any update on the naked seed/ nice fleshed breeding project?
Cesar
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Post by ottawagardener on Nov 2, 2011 6:42:31 GMT -5
I've been looking into this and planning on picking up some little greenseed actually. Curious about updates too.
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Post by turtleheart on Nov 2, 2011 10:36:40 GMT -5
i am curious how durable the seeds are when processing and storing them. can anyone enlighten me?
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Post by raymondo on Nov 2, 2011 17:07:47 GMT -5
i am curious how durable the seeds are when processing and storing them. can anyone enlighten me? I've had pepitas, that I bought, in the cupboard for two years and they're still fine. I keep them in an airtight glass jar. As far as the project goes, I haven't gone any further than growing F2 seed with my Lady Godiva / Thelma Sanders Sweet Potato cross. I don't have the space or the time at the moment. Perhaps in a year or two. |
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Post by atash on Nov 2, 2011 21:17:25 GMT -5
Ah...well, in that case, I would definitely have space in the patch. I think one of Michel's naked seeded squash aslo had worthwhile flesh. I'll check back through the threads. Oops, just saw this, lemme hurry and get some seeds in the mail. |
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Post by 12540dumont on Nov 3, 2011 14:11:23 GMT -5
Left to Right, Kakai, Little Green Seed, Naked Leo I crossed the Kakai with a Winter Luxury. I got a lot of green seed, a smaller pumpkin, and well the flesh is not great. Mine was still pale like a Kakai More work needed. The Little Green Seed was much sweeter, with an orange flesh. I have found that none of these will keep longer than 3-4 months, and then you need to use them up, as the seed begins to sprout inside. Telsing, I was packing up your ornamental edibles. I was right, I don't have a lot of these. I have to see if anyone in my CSA still have some and ask them to save the seeds. At the same time, I put in seeds of all the above for you to play with. There's a few of each. Rob, please...me too. (I'll send $$) Just let me know what I owe for that and the wheat. If you haven't seen it, Bountiful Gardens is selling a oil press for these seeds. I haven't needed it because none of them get by Leo. He's a fiend for these. He resents me giving out any of them to the CSA. I've been rinsing the seeds in salt water, and putting them in the oven at 350, when they start to pop, they're done, they never even make it to the salad. After you've eaten these, regular pumpkin seeds are like munching on pine cones. Attachments:
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Post by garnetmoth on Nov 5, 2011 8:50:05 GMT -5
hey Holly- I asked about an oil press last year. I think its the similar kind that Bountiful Gardens is stocking. IIRC, Walk (the member who started the thread) had used a similar style and had a hard time with it. - Shes got experience with them.
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Post by greltam on Nov 5, 2011 13:10:59 GMT -5
I like pumpkin seeds more than pumpkin pie. I would love to grow some naked seeded pumpkins.
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Post by atash on Nov 5, 2011 13:38:18 GMT -5
Holly, no need to send $$; we're doing each other favors. Speaking of which, do you have extra "little green seeds"? The reason I'm asking is, like the Long Island seed project folks said, it "needs more work", and guess what, so do all the others I've tried. Some genetic variability would not be a bad thing. If you do, let's just call it a trade. If you don't, let's still call it a trade because we're already planning to trade other stuff, and I've got you on the line for a growing-out favor.  Greltam, you can have your pie and eat the seeds too: there is very little tradeoff between seeds and flesh; the tradeoff is mostly for historical reasons (the oilseed pumpkin showed up in a variety that had been used to feed swine): newworldcrops.com/wp/squashes/dual-purpose-pumpkins-need-more-work/The problem is just that there are compromises between the quality of the seeds and the quality of the flesh. The original naked-seeded pumpkin, Styrian Hull-less, and some of its derivatives, reputedly have the best and the most seeds, but their flesh is unpalatable AND they tend to have very long growing seasons. I could send you some purely naked-hulled seeds (something similar to Styrian Hull-less), as soon as I find some, and send them your way. I had a poor harvest of the dual-purpose, so I don't have a lot of those to spare. Holly's getting some because I owe her, and I owe Raymondo too. But, if you want to try one, Burpee's sells "Triple Treat", which I think is the only one left on the retail market. It needs work too. |
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Post by 12540dumont on Nov 5, 2011 15:07:14 GMT -5
Atash, I'll send you the little Green Seed. I still have a few that Leo hasn't eaten.... I will carve a small hole in your sorghum package and stuff the seeds in. Really, the Little Green Seed this year was pie quality. This is only the 3rd that I've opened. They are easy to tell as soon as you get them open, they are yellow if not palatable and orange if suitable for pie. So in this picture notice how the pumpkin on the right is almost translucent...that's the yellow fleshed Naked Leo. The middle one is the Little Green Seed and the one on the left is Kakai. Note that I have had no response from Ken at LI Seeds. He was corresponding with me about the bean trial and all of a sudden nothing. I do suspect that he is either ill or overwhelmed...so hang onto this germplasm to plant. (I mean don't eat them...) Regards, Holly Attachments:
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Post by atash on Nov 5, 2011 17:12:23 GMT -5
Thanks. No, don't worry; I am aware how rare these are.
I don't know Ken, but it's a common story: independent plant breeders and small farmers are few in number and a lot of them getting up in years. There's a lot of work involved, and it's under-funded. There needs to be a better way of developing and maintaining open-source crops.
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Post by gixxerific on Nov 13, 2011 9:32:57 GMT -5
What exactly does "naked" mean in terms of the seed? Hull? Fibers? I'm hearing that the flesh is not terribly desirable yet there are tons of seeds which makes me wonder if the value of the veg is more in the seed and if so, how? Perhaps for oil? I'm hoping to have a press in a couple of years for the purpose of extracting oils. Lwet me see if I can get this right. Naked refers to a hulles seed, they can be eaten raw. They come out green normally unlike the normal pumpkin/sqaush seed. Yes for oils, some of them are know for oil and are used for this prupose almost exclusively. I have grown Lady Godiva the past few years. With little succes, damn SVB won't let me do it right. But I did manage to get a small amout of seeds this year. The flesh is not edible but it is said to produce and ounce of seeds per fruit. I have yet to see this but than again I have been lucky to get them to fruition with the pest. |
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