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Post by canadamike on Apr 6, 2009 20:09:34 GMT -5
This is a brilliant trick I found on the Tomodori forum. If anybody here knows of it, this should have been shared long ago. For all of us having a lot of self pollination of perfect flowers to do, it works on a lot of them, like tomatoes ( not PL ), eggplants and peppers. You can self 10-20 flowers per minute easily. I will personally hire the mob to take care of anybody aware of it that did not share it . Now I can order the peppers and eggplants I want from Grin, augment seeds and return them some incredibly easily. next year I am trialing loads of russian and central asian eggplants... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Put ordinary wood glue in an appropriate container ( here, a coffe scoop)  Dip the tip of the flower in the glue  The flower petals are glued  You make sure the flower is shaken a couple of times in the next day or so, it will self pollinate within the ''capsule''. The glued petals will fall off and leave a selfed fruit  |
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Post by fulenn on Apr 6, 2009 20:47:38 GMT -5
My jaw is on the floor! It's wonderful! But why does it not work on PL tomatoes?
Yea! No more bags..... ;D
Fulenn
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Post by canadamike on Apr 6, 2009 21:31:54 GMT -5
In their case, the stigma is exerted i.e. it goes further than the anthers. Mind you, it might still work, it could grow anyway but just bend inside the capsule and get pollinated, I just don't know.
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Post by bluelacedredhead on Apr 6, 2009 22:34:15 GMT -5
I'm not sure if glued plantguts would be considered Organic? Does anyone know?? :eek:
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Post by grungy on Apr 6, 2009 22:48:47 GMT -5
Well I'll be double dang gummed. Why didn't I think of this? Will solve a lot of time problems. Also I think we can try it on a couple of PLs just to see if it will work. Catch them before the stigma is exerted. In theory the stigma should curl around inside. Now to trial it.
Thanks Michel, and if you need someone to ride posse on your mob, just let me know.
Now besides the tape on the melon and squash flowers, has anyone got a quick tip for those? Didn't think so since they aren't self pollinating - oh well. <LOL>
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Post by orflo on Apr 6, 2009 23:41:52 GMT -5
This was described in an old kokopelli book about 10 years ago. Some care has to be taken, ordinary wood glue contains residues and elements you don't want in the house (formaldehyde for example is in most wood glues), and I don't want it in the garden either. You can use liquid hide glue or even caseine glue, but these aren't water -resistant, a good shower and all glue will be washed off (this will count for most modern wood glues as well, except when you go for water-resistant glues, mostly containing PU). My experiences weren't really that good, too much rain and moisture here, so I returned to the isolation or bagging method..
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Post by macmex on Apr 7, 2009 11:20:51 GMT -5
Wow! What a great technique!
Hey Orflo, I don't want to sound ignorant. But then, guess I won't hide it either. What's kokopelli?
George
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Post by canadamike on Apr 7, 2009 13:23:02 GMT -5
It is a french heirloom seed movement based in France and to a lesser extent in Belgium, they sell organic, even biodynamic seeds, 1500 or so, but they are also very active on the political front, maybe too much to the taste of some, but not mine. If SSE was as confrontational as they are with the government over stupid laws or the agro-business, it would help a lot here. But that is not their choice and I respect thattoo, justthat we would need someone to do it.
The other organizations find it sometimes too agressive, but let's face it, they can only play good cop because somebody plays the bad one.
And they have LOTS of supporters, around 100,000 or so. Even some branches of the goverment buy their ''illegal'' seeds.
In France ( and elsewhere in Europe too) , heirlooms need to be listed and maintained in a national catalogue, which takes money. Their fruits can't be legally sold in grocery stores, but they are openly by the big business. It is illegal there for a farmer to go over his fence and give to his neighbour his family heirloom seeds.
Kokopelli has a campaign the ''ROBIN HOOD Of SEEDS'', people take pictures of illegal tomatoes and veggies in grocery stores and send them to the government, calling the bluff. To no avail of course, it is a terribly cynical situation.
These are the most immoral and insidious seed laws, if they happened here I would be ready them fight them with guns, and I profoundly despise firearms and violence. But there is a limit to breaking one's constitutional fundamental rights.
The state behaves in an anticonstitutional and criminal fashion. Kokopelli calls a cat a cat.
They are the ones bringing Tom and us in Europe, and their next annual seed book, a monster one, kind of a deluxe full color seed bible really, will be centered around the kind of work we do here, they will visit many of us and write on it.
Frank ( Orflo) and I collaborated to this year's edition. I wrote on melons, Frank on andean crops, and I also wrote a small article on Alan and the foundation of HG.
They work in the developing world, have research stations in Africa and India (2 ), and now 12 in Bhutan, since the king has declared a switch to organic agriculture for the whole country and they supervize the transition.
They will bring Tom in India next year for some training of the people and potato work.
All that showcase of our work on producing new cultivars freely has loads of political implications for them, it is a concrete way to confront the goverment, using freedom as a weapon.
You can guess I like them a lot. Which is not to say they are perfect, but let me bow in front of the only ones not bending over to present their naked ass to the governments and the agro-business.
They are also experimenting with great success with terra preta in India.
Freedom, free thinking, respect of native agricultural traditions and crops and seed development would pretty much describe them.
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Post by fulenn on Apr 7, 2009 16:52:33 GMT -5
Didn't I read something a while back about them having to relocate their headquarters because of pressure from the french government? Not sure this is the same group....
Fulenn
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Post by canadamike on Apr 7, 2009 19:30:20 GMT -5
It might be so, I don't know. I'll ask Dominique when he is back from India and Bhutan.
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Post by canadamike on Apr 7, 2009 19:55:57 GMT -5
Frank, there is no formaldehyde in PVA wood glue. I am a woodworker too. I just double checked technical sheets and there is none.
No surprise here for me. Formaldehyde glues are wet activated, the wetter the better, the opposite is true for PVA, where the drier the wood the better.
They really don't bond wood the same way, and what helps one is a nuisance for the other.
Anyway, we don't need the glue to be very resistant, dried white glue should spend 3 days working properly very easily. It is not like there is much pressure prying the petals open....
In any doubt, I would make another pass with some thick grease, maybe vaseline, once the glue is dried. But if it rains a lot there won't be any wind or insect pollination no matter what...
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Post by orflo on Apr 8, 2009 0:21:55 GMT -5
I checked it as well, and you're right, PVA glue doesn't contain formaldehyde. So accept my humble apologies for giving a bit of wrong info there  |
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Post by canadamike on Apr 8, 2009 0:26:53 GMT -5
Apologies accepted my friend, even if humble, which can hardly suit such a refined gentleman and a brilliant scholar on top of it  You now owe me this week's paycheck ;D |
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Post by macmex on Apr 8, 2009 0:38:46 GMT -5
Thanks for the info on Kokopelli. I had not heard of them. But it does sound like they are doing something good, for the sake of basic human freedom and the welfare of mankind (not to mention the plants). I never dreamed it, but we seem to have some of those rumblings now, in the USA. And yes, Mike, I entirely agree with your assessment of arms and armed self defense in this area. It's incredible the arrogance of government, to try to prevent such basic freedoms.
George
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Post by Hristo on Apr 30, 2009 13:14:42 GMT -5
I used this method 2 years ago on my peppers. It works, but I do not find it practical because I have to not only glue the flowers, but have also to mark them with something permanent. Otherwise I will not know "Is that fruit from glued flower or not???". So double work.
This method is great for few plants, when you can glue all the flowers, so you will know every fruit is from glued flower. But when you grow many plants...
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