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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Aug 22, 2016 17:37:51 GMT -5
tedmeredith: Welcome to the forum, and in particular to this thread. Looking forward to your insights on this topic.
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Post by philagardener on Aug 22, 2016 19:04:11 GMT -5
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Aug 22, 2016 21:26:54 GMT -5
I don't really think I have a chance of getting seed. At least not until I have learned a lot more in the years to come. I love it!. By the growing season after that post was made kazedwards had produced more true garlic seeds than all the rest of us combined!!! |
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Post by richardw on Aug 23, 2016 0:47:58 GMT -5
Fantastic having you join up here Ted
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Post by meganp on Aug 23, 2016 2:07:18 GMT -5
Welcome Ted, looking forward to your contributions to this thread.
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Post by samyaza on Aug 23, 2016 7:58:12 GMT -5
 This is #16 from Ivan W. Buddenhagen. I dug those which didn't flower in mid-July : deceiving. There was no sign of rust at that time. These were dug this Saturday. This time the size is impressive. The flowers were about to open and they were fairly damaged by rust. Ivan had told me the seeds would be ready in October which is really cold and wet here, so, I acted with wisdom. My climate is too wet for most cultivars while these are far healthier than I expected. |
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Post by reed on Aug 23, 2016 10:02:41 GMT -5
Well I guess I'v caught the garlic / garlic seed bug as well. I went back and read the whole thread and the links that tedmeredith posted and a couple things caught my attention. Seed may be encouraged in a cool, shady microclimate like the north side of a building and that seed may be more likely in a cooler environment over all. **Will garlic in general do better in some shade? Maybe especially from the hottest afternoon sun? If I grow it north of the house or in shade will I still get nice big cloves? I have lots of bulbils and cloves so I think I'll try some different methods just to see what happens. Since I am impatient, I think one of the methods is to plant some now in pots. When it starts getting cold I'll move them to the front side of the house which faces straight south and when it gets very cold either bring them in or put them in the green house. Maybe that will give me scapes during early spring while it is still cool out. |
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Post by richardw on Aug 23, 2016 14:39:30 GMT -5
For me having a LOT more stock in the ground to play with hopefully give me better results, there's about 100 full size bulbs in my TGS block which are just starting to come away nicely after a milder than normal winter. If the coming growing season is not successful i may have to look to setting up an area that has some south facing shade, either that or i build a frame and use shade cloth.
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Post by tedmeredith on Aug 24, 2016 0:09:32 GMT -5
Thank you all for welcoming me to this group. A couple of thoughts on recent posts: Heat sensitivity varies among cultivars, but during anthesis, the period when the flowers become sexually viable, temperatures exceeding approximately 85°F over a period of days can whither flowers and reduce pollen viability. Prolonged excess heat can also weaken the scapes. Conversely, temperatures below 65°F can reduce or prevent seed set. A daily period of temperatures between 70°F and 75°F likely approximates an ideal range for optimal results. Whether shade and cooling are needed or sun and warmth largely depends on your climate and environment. Where I am in the marine-influenced climate of the Pacific Northwest, the summers are generally too cool for seed set, so my colleague Avram Drucker in Southern Oregon produces seed for our project and I do the seed grow-outs. Those who are in hot summer climates may need to provide shade or use shadecloth or other methods to provide cooling. One of the advantages (there are also disadvantages) of the cut scape method is that it allows more ready manipulation of the environment. Regarding seed from Rocambole garlic, it is certainly a problematic and challenging effort and the likelihood of success is not very high. On the other hand, as a Rocambole fan, the prospect of virus-free, highly vigorous Rocambole cultivars is certainly appealing, as well as the prospects of its flavor characteristics combined with longer storage, etc. Molecular studies have shown that Rocamboles are a clearly distinct group, but also quite genetically diverse. It is quite possible that particular cultivars would have the highest, or perhaps only chance of reproduction. I am aware of credible reports of seed from three Rocambole cultivars, one from Rocambole Music (PI 515972) (not the Porcelain Music). Unfortunately, the USDA stock of it is very heavily virused and weak growing. Another credible report from a locally named Canadian cultivar called Quebec, and another from the cultivar Puslinch, also known in the US as Ontario Giant. Perhaps those in this group who are working with Rocamboles will be able to provide us with other successful cultivars. Dr. Rina Kamenetsky advises that delayed germination and poor germination rates are at least partially the result of weak seed that has insufficient energy stores. For those using the cut scape method, she recommends that the water include a cut flower type of mixture. There are various homemade mixtures on the web, the key ingredient being sugar, and also typically including some anti-microbial addition such as bleach. Ted garlicseed.blogspot.com/p/growing-garlic-from-true-seed.html |
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Post by kazedwards on Aug 24, 2016 11:18:09 GMT -5
Very glad to have you. My problem has been growing the seed not getting the seed. This year none of the winter sown seeds came up. The seeds I started inside kept dying. The four bigger ones lasted several months. After they died down I learned that they hadn't made any sort of round. So this year I have no new garlic plants even though I got 700+ seeds last year.
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Aug 24, 2016 12:33:22 GMT -5
kazedwards: I had two of your seeds germinate inside. I couldn't take care of them properly, so they died. I had one of your seeds germinate in the floor of the greenhouse and form a small round, which is currently hibernating in the refrigerator.
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Post by kazedwards on Aug 24, 2016 12:51:04 GMT -5
kazedwards: I had two of your seeds germinate inside. I couldn't take care of them properly, so they died. I had one of your seeds germinate in the floor of the greenhouse and form a small round, which is currently hibernating in the refrigerator. I'm glad you and reed had good luck with them. This fall I think I will put any seed I get in the refrigerator for 6 weeks then plant immediately. Any that come up I will nurse through winter and plant out in spring. |
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Post by richardw on Aug 24, 2016 19:59:31 GMT -5
P.S. What a great resource here, to be able to learn from experienced TGS people like tedmeredith , Joseph Lofthouse , kazedwards , and others. I do not know if it is likely to happen, but it would really be cool if five years from now we would have a small network of amateur TGS producers trading seed with each other. Thats why myself & meganp set up www.facebook.com/groups/1495484050715162/ so as to become a TGS swooping network, then if all goes well we might be able to swoop internationally. kazedwards has joined us as well, we now have 193 members of which there's about 10-15 keen to tiring there hand so far, they have received stock from not only me and Megan but also from another New Zealand woman who managed to produce a large amount of TGS, at the time she didn't realize the significance of black seed that was falling out on there garlic sorting table. Thankfully she grew out that seed and ended up growing a large amount of small bulbs and rounds though it took 2-3 years to do so. Anyone is welcome to come join as it will help motivate others. |
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Aug 24, 2016 23:45:24 GMT -5
Here's my one new garlic variety for this season: grown from a seed. Thanks kazedwards! The crosses are calibrated at 1 cm.  |
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Post by steev on Aug 25, 2016 0:44:08 GMT -5
Well, isn't that one ugly duckling; prolly gonna grow to be a swan.
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