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Post by steev on Nov 7, 2011 11:42:39 GMT -5
Last month I planted the cloves from last year's "shallots", obviously reverted to garlic, and some Mexican Red, which are both happily sprouted.
Yesterday, I planted some California White.
I got home to find a box from GRIN with 13 of the 20 varieties I'd requested. Yeee-ha! Game on!
Veleski, Montenegro
Klisurski, Montenegro
Rocambole, Vermont
Maiski, Turkmenistan
Gomecari, USSR
Asian Tempest, South Korea
Dunganski, Uzbekistan
Ferganski, Uzbekistan
Arguni White, USSR
Gourmet Red
Montana Roja, Montana
Aktyubinsk, Kazakhstan
Novo Triotsk, Kazakhstan
Borak's Sister, Kazakhstan ( my fourth favorite! )
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Post by templeton on Nov 7, 2011 13:56:50 GMT -5
Steev,
When I was looking into garlics a few years ago I read that most cultivars were really only 8 varieties. Do you know if this is the case?
(I note lots of Central Asians on your list)
I also read that it was fairly plastic, and would adapt to sites fairly quickly, so I've been growing out 4 or 5 varieties - which seem fairly set in their ways, frankly. Not a lot of variety available here.
T
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Post by steev on Nov 7, 2011 15:10:12 GMT -5
I have no idea about cultivars vs varieties; I tend to assume that if GRIN maintains something as a separate item, there is some significant difference; very possibly naivite on my part.
I also tend to guess that in some important ways, my growing environment is similar to Central Asia and Asia Minor, as well as materials from there not being so commonly seen around here, so wide potential genetic diversity.
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Post by 12540dumont on Nov 7, 2011 16:55:58 GMT -5
Steev! Josephs best Joseph’s Good St. Joe’s Worst Rossa di Sulmona Viola Francese Early Italian White Foothill Farm Purple Foothill Farm White And from the USDA Z058 - Uzbekistan PI 540357 Russian Federation W626 171 Kazakstan PI540316 FSU PI540319 Poland PI540337 CZ Adzanskij Why is Borak's Sister your fourth favorite...does she have 3 other sisters? The Foothill Farm Purple is up. Everyone else is still sleeping. I have a couple of raised beds that still have to be planted in bulbils, and wee garlics - lots of garlic from Siberia. Do I think California is like Siberia? No, but I'm looking for garlic that makes true Garlic Seed. My grandmother was from Finland, and I couldn't find any Finnish garlic. I have one more tray of leeks, and the shallots to finnnnish. Alliums take forever to get planted. I still have 9 beds to pull and 17 to plant. Attachments:
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Post by 12540dumont on Nov 7, 2011 16:58:09 GMT -5
patrolling for voles...or laying down on the job. Montana Red....sounds like a good name for a bandit or a dog. Or a dog bandit. Attachments:
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Post by steev on Nov 7, 2011 21:38:05 GMT -5
Sorry, I asked my landlady how to spell Sacha Baron Cohen's Kazakhstani character and I was misinformed, as I am so often. It was an obscure reference to Borat's sister, the fourth most popular prostitute in Kazakhstan; the wink, wink, nudge, nudge was that that was #14 in a list of 13. I always seem to fail at subtlety, choke, sniff.
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Post by paquebot on Nov 7, 2011 22:43:07 GMT -5
Templeton, when you grow up to 150 different varieties to full maturity, then you'll see a lot of differences which are not obvious straight away. We've had some which are virtually identical in bulb size and shape, clove size and shape, taste, leaves, and height. Then the scape matures and the bulbils are different size or shape. There indeed are some porcelains which we suspect are identical but can't be proved without a DNA test. So far, only the rocamboles haven't showed up as identical twins.
Martin
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Post by steev on Nov 8, 2011 20:15:51 GMT -5
So I've weighed the GRIN heads and will get them broken to cloves and counted, so I can plant them this week-end; mustn't forget to prefabricate their spoon-tags. The weather having turned iffy, anything that can be done in advance is good.
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Post by 12540dumont on Nov 8, 2011 20:40:38 GMT -5
Steev, the forecast for Thursday here is 60% showers (night and 80% on Friday. Doesn't that figure? Leo has Veteran's Day off, so of course it's going to rain. He's out now tilling in the dark.
Tomorrow, I have to finish pulling all the fields and plant every inch that's vacant. Catch the escaped chickens, move the fences and change out the chicken house bedding.
I haven't finished with my 50's yet, but some mornings I get up and every bone in my body feels like I'm 80. Crawling around on the cold November soil gives me a crink. I wish I could get my 35 year old body back. I especially need it at the changing of the seasons when everything needs to be done.
I'm threshing seeds every night, or as Leo says, shakem, bagem, jarem, tagem and get them put away for the season before the creeping roof rattus and Miceys find that the barn is full of seed and start snacking. How did that bait stuff you got last year work?
Back to pounding my tortillas. Good luck with the garlic.
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Post by steev on Nov 9, 2011 0:48:23 GMT -5
Yes, getting old aint for sissies; I wish I had my college sweetheart's 20-year-old body back.
I'm way older than I'd be if I had my druthers, but I'm very fortunate generally. One of my roomies is five years younger than I, and he couldn't believe I was doing a couple hours jack-hammering concrete, didn't want to borrow his velcro corset, and would be fine the next morning. Thing is, this is what I do; he rides his ass all day.
So far as I can tell, the bait works; I've not seen a ground squirrel for several weeks, but there are clearly still rodents, gophers and voles; oh, my!
I've got to take my tiller in for repairs/maintenence, so I'll use the Mantis to work up space for the garlic; maybe keep after the sprouting weeds where I want to seed hulless oats asap.
Think I'll rip out the cold-killed tomatoes, eggplants, and cukes and put the garlic in there. I've got plenty of horsepoo and ashes to work in, so it should be happy.
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Post by potter on Nov 9, 2011 4:10:15 GMT -5
Well thats because there is hardly any Finnish varieties about.
I'm Finn living in UK..been here for years..
HOWEVER!...I've managed to find TWO landrace varieties..that was only month ago.. ;D It took some finding.
Varieties are called Ristijärvi..it is local white-skinned hardneck variety from Kainuu
And other is Aleksandra..another hardneck with purplish tinge on skin and big cloves.
But all in all there is only 8 varieties that are listed to exist as 'Finnish garlic'. I'm still on hunt for those others...
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Post by steev on Nov 9, 2011 11:30:15 GMT -5
The far-flung connections of this forum are SO cool!
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Post by canadamike on Nov 9, 2011 22:47:45 GMT -5
I must admit one thing, it is far easier to me to differentiate wine than garlic. The only ''lingering aftertaste'' of garlic I know is a garlic aftertaste.
I admit to some being milder or stronger, but I still have to find one not garlicky. And since I do not eat it raw, if it is mild I had more...
I do not have the courage to taste test it like crazy in the raw form.
I love it and use it a lot though, but then it is cooked...and I quite frankly deal with any garlic I find on my way.
I must admit that roasted garlic is a great way to differentiate between clones...but then I still not believe that there is as much difference as there is in wine...whatever garden writers in fancy magazines say...
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Post by potter on Nov 10, 2011 2:58:37 GMT -5
 I agree with you with the taste..its all garlicky.. ;D I've grown my few varieties for years..and between those I can tell difference, I'm so used to them.. I'm slowly bringing few new varieties now into my growing stock and only way to tell difference them is by visual difference or if the flavour is particularly strong and bitter or mild and sweet. What ever the flavour...end result is same..bad breath..  But looking at the list of the varieties growers stock or chaps in here grow..well...it would take life time for my taste buds to learn them...  I confess..I'm raw garlic chomper.. ;D...and I stink of it... ;D BTW..is there any particular reason for such a interest of growing Easten European varieties?..I've noticed many of those in your growing lists are from that direction.
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Post by stevil on Nov 10, 2011 3:22:52 GMT -5
Well thats because there is hardly any Finnish varieties about. I'm Finn living in UK..been here for years.. HOWEVER!...I've managed to find TWO landrace varieties..that was only month ago.. ;D It took some finding. Varieties are called Ristijärvi..it is local white-skinned hardneck variety from Kainuu And other is Aleksandra..another hardneck with purplish tinge on skin and big cloves. But all in all there is only 8 varieties that are listed to exist as 'Finnish garlic'. I'm still on hunt for those others... Potter: As coordinator of the Norwegian Seed Savers, I read this with interest. I was sent Aleksandra from a woman in Finland about 10 years ago and this variety has consistently performed well and is now being grown by quite a few members. I hadn't heard of Ristijärvi before. Any chance of a sample? I can send you something in return... Do you know the story behind Aleksandra? |
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I agree with you with the taste..its all garlicky.. ;D
