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Post by toad on Nov 15, 2011 15:38:58 GMT -5
I grow my garlic each cultivar in a group or row. And make sure the neighbour garlics are differet types. I prefer to change between hardneck and softneck, but find the types different enough to make a difference. In this way I quickly notice, if a plant in the row sticks out from the rest. I agree, that environment affect garlic quite strongly, but in my experience this is mostly in the first 3 or 4 years, after that they seem true to "adapted type" with some years strange weather making most of the softnecks setting scapes, but in a year of two they go back to the "adapted type" again.
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Post by templeton on Nov 15, 2011 22:28:53 GMT -5
A few years ago I planted alternate rows of all my varieties - problem was, in my limited bed space, that meant the whole bed was out of action until I had harvested the last maturing variety. Now I plant my early varieties at one end, and the late varieties at the other - gives me half a bed to plant my early tomatoes in, while I'm waiting for my longkeeper garlics to mature.
I've noticed considerable variation in growth, size, and keeping qualities of my different varieties over the past 6 seasons. Things that did well one year struggled a bit the next season with different weather. Some varieties I wasn't going to persist with due to poor keeping stored really well the next. But on the whole, the early varieties don't keep as well as the late.
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Post by steev on Dec 10, 2011 9:44:24 GMT -5
Dec 7th, the Maiski (Turkmenistan) was sprouted, first out the gate!
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Post by steev on Dec 17, 2011 1:29:35 GMT -5
Dec 16th, Gourmet Red is the second up!
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Post by steev on Dec 21, 2011 22:07:31 GMT -5
Dec 21st, Arguni white (USSR) and Klisurski (Montenegro) are up.
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Post by steev on Jan 8, 2012 1:31:11 GMT -5
Jan 7th, Rocambole (Vermont) is sprouted.
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Post by steev on Jan 27, 2012 20:35:20 GMT -5
Jan 26th, Novo Triotsk (Kazakhstan), Gomecari (USSR), Dunganski (Uzbekistan), and Ferganski (Uzbekistan) have shown.
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Post by steev on Feb 3, 2012 0:30:28 GMT -5
Feb 2nd, Veleski (Montenegro), Asian Tempest (South Korea), and Aktyubinsk (Kazakhstan) have finally come to the party; now to see how everything fares in this uncommonly dry Winter.
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Post by 12540dumont on Feb 3, 2012 2:18:49 GMT -5
# 29 St. Joseph's Best Garlic. Last grown in Utah. Already at 5 leaves. Looking very good. And as you can see, time to weed, AGAIN! Attachments:
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Post by 12540dumont on Feb 3, 2012 2:23:09 GMT -5
# 27 PI 540319, from Poland, last grow out, Parlier, CA Allium sativum var. ophioscorodon This garlic is compliments of the USDA Grin program and part of my efforts to find true garlic seed. Attachments:
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Post by oxbowfarm on Feb 3, 2012 7:25:51 GMT -5
In the hunt for garlic seed, has anyone tried cleaning the viruses out of garlic? Might be an interesting thing to do, supposedly folks have successfully heat treated the viruses out of seed potatoes using heat treatment. Not sure about the exact requirements at the moment but I seem to remember someone talking about using an incubator to hold the potatoes above a certain temp for a certain time frame to kill or deactivate the viruses. Might be an interesting thing to try with bulbils?
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Post by 12540dumont on Feb 3, 2012 17:45:50 GMT -5
Hi Oxbow,
From what the folks in Canada have been telling me, if you raise the garlics from bulbils all soil borne diseases are eliminated.
I have not tested this, so this is the first year.
Some luck has been had getting seeds by hand pollinating bulbil flowers.
This year, I'm leaving 25% of the USDA garlic that gets scapes. The rest I need to save for next year. The garlic they sent me was the type most likely to get seed, from previous go rounds. I want to try to do this without all the chemical hype. No lab here, just farming. If garlics originally produced seed, I think it's got to be something like TPS...eventually I'll find one or more that will make seed. I know that garlic from seed would be very slow, but think of the possibilities!
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Post by oxbowfarm on Feb 3, 2012 22:26:59 GMT -5
I wasnt' thinking of anything super high-tech. From the small amount of internet crawling I've done it looks like thermotreatment of potatoes to clean out and inactivate viruses is basically holding them at 100 degrees Fahrenheit for 10 to 20 days. I was just thinking it might be interesting to try that with garlic just to see what happens. Might clean enough viral crap out that they'd flower a bit?
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Post by 12540dumont on Feb 4, 2012 1:34:22 GMT -5
Well, I guess from the garlic I'll hold back from this year, I'll give 'er a go next year. As all the garlic is already in the field this year (including some bulbils, I don't have anything to heat).
But, I may also give this a go with some taties. (I sure hope it doesn't bake them.
We've learned a powerful amount of stuff by simple trial and error. There were a lot of errors before we hit any homers.
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Post by caledonian on Jun 12, 2012 14:11:03 GMT -5
I have no idea about cultivars vs varieties; I tend to assume that if GRIN maintains something as a separate item, there is some significant difference; very possibly naivite on my part. I'm afraid so. GRIN maintains assessions separately - so if the source they acquire a plant from thinks it's different, they treat it as though it's different. But basically identical groups of plants will occasionally be listed as two different things. It's the price they pay for erring on the side of the angels and maintaining everything that might be unique. |
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