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Post by oxbowfarm on Jan 5, 2012 10:00:01 GMT -5
I don't know anything about the Korean/Asian commercial groundnut industry but I'd bet it is a lot like the commercial potato industry. Just about every potato farmer you'll ever meet has probably never even seen a True Potato Seed and wouldn't care about one if they did. I'd bet the groundnut farmer in Korea is the same, they use seed tubers and never mess with the seeds. I'd bet the only folks interested in True Groundnut Seed are agronomists in Korea,China, or Japan. Considering the sophistication of the production techniques shown in jbl4430's photos it's clear they are light years ahead of the rest of the world on this and might actually have agronomists dedicated to Apios. Anybody know the names of agricultural universities and/or agriculture experiment stations in South Korea or Japan?
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Post by jbl4430 on Jan 5, 2012 16:11:33 GMT -5
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Post by jbl4430 on Jan 5, 2012 16:17:45 GMT -5
[quote in South Korea or Japan?[/quote]
In Korea, The farmer imported the seed first time from Japan usually and they use the better one for seed.
never even seen a True Potato Seed and wouldn't care about one if they did---exactly you are right.
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Post by jbl4430 on Jan 5, 2012 16:29:18 GMT -5
Sorry I didn't understand what you said. I never thought use seed instead of tuber. They use tuber only. Do you think same year market is possible with seed? |
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Post by Hristo on Jan 5, 2012 16:47:16 GMT -5
No, of course tubers are better as planting material for the market/commercial growers, but as I already said at this forum are quite a few hobby breeders (people who like to breed their own varieties) and the seeds are better than the tubers for breeding. Apios seeds are kind of rare, that is why I was curious if the Apios in Korea bears seeds too. If you stick for some time here you may become a hobby breeder too  |
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Post by jbl4430 on Jan 5, 2012 18:13:39 GMT -5
No, of course tubers are better as planting material for the market/commercial growers, but as I already said at this forum are quite a few hobby breeders (people who like to breed their own varieties) and the seeds are better than the tubers for breeding. Apios seeds are kind of rare, that is why I was curious if the Apios in Korea bears seeds too. If you stick for some time here you may become a hobby breeder too Sorry My English still bad. In Korea developing part is usually government and I think apios is not much interesting because not major crop. Copied from www.oikostreecrops.com/store/home.aspVirginia Groundnut — Apios americana Grown From Seed-Fertile Flowers Produce Edible Peas Many of the selections of groundnuts are naturally occurring triploids distributed by the Native Americans. Although usually more vigorous with better tuber production, triploids are known not to produce seeds. We were fortunate to some nice selections of groundnuts that are diploids and produce the pea pods and tasty peas along with good tuber production. These were grown from seed from Virgina. Each plant will be genetically different with different types of tubers. Pea production is suppose to be very good with this strain. Hardiness -25 °F. |
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Post by castanea on Jan 5, 2012 22:27:33 GMT -5
Sorry I didn't understand what you said. I never thought use seed instead of tuber. They use tuber only. Do you think same year market is possible with seed? Same year market from seed is not possible. I am interested in breeding and experimenting with seeds. I am not now interested in selling at market. I woudl like to get seeds. Is this possible? |
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Post by jbl4430 on Jan 6, 2012 6:40:01 GMT -5
Sorry I didn't understand what you said. I never thought use seed instead of tuber. They use tuber only. Do you think same year market is possible with seed? Same year market from seed is not possible. I am interested in breeding and experimenting with seeds. I am not now interested in selling at market. I woudl like to get seeds. Is this possible? I think you already keep that I can get . Farmers use apios doesn't have seed. Once I saw Wild apios seed from Ottawa valley Ontario. |
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Post by castanea on Jan 6, 2012 10:20:01 GMT -5
The farmers plants probably are producing seed but the farmers are not collecting it.
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Post by jbl4430 on Jan 6, 2012 12:25:39 GMT -5
The farmers plants probably are producing seed but the farmers are not collecting it. No,producing seed apios is very very rare. you see the apios farm photo. The whole farm doesn't have single seed. Some other farmer post his blog one day--he saw his apios have seed. This means usually farmes use developed apios normally not produce seed. If you are interesting I can check from several commercial farmer what is happening ,but most commercial farmer never think about seed and doesn't need seed ,so maybe they don't know the importance about seed . |
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Post by blueadzuki on Jan 6, 2012 13:04:39 GMT -5
One of the fundamental hurdles we have to deal with is that, actually, from a market growers point of view, a fetile (i.e. seeding) plant would be considered inferior. Since the triploid strain is supposed to be more vigrous in growth and produce more and bigger tubers, they probably have prominence in any market situation. Fertile strains, however interesting as they may be to breeders and those who like us wish to grow them primarily for our own use, would be consiered a smaller, less desiarable "B grade" product, which probably fetches a much lower price on the market, and would be jettisioned by each farmer as soon as he got acess to the triploid. It's a bit like how with Japanese Flowering Cherry and Plum trees, the ability of those flowers to make actual fruit is considered a defect, or (if you live out in those parts of the west coast where it is still a popular street tree, you get better prices for paradox walnut saplings that are confirmed non-flowering
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Post by castanea on Jan 6, 2012 20:36:04 GMT -5
The farmers plants probably are producing seed but the farmers are not collecting it. No,producing seed apios is very very rare. you see the apios farm photo. The whole farm doesn't have single seed. Some other farmer post his blog one day--he saw his apios have seed. This means usually farmes use developed apios normally not produce seed. If you are interesting I can check from several commercial farmer what is happening ,but most commercial farmer never think about seed and doesn't need seed ,so maybe they don't know the importance about seed . I agree that most commercial growers probably never think about seed. But with the large number of planst they are growing and the numerous flowers, there might be some seeds. I am interested in knowing about their seeds. |
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Post by atash on Jan 7, 2012 0:20:29 GMT -5
It's a wise policy to raise seedlings every so many years. Otherwise, things raised from tubers, rhizomes, cuttings, bulb offsets, and so on, eventually end up full of viruses--and sterile. It has happened with so many crops. Including some that were already sterile from being triploid--like saffron crocuses. I stopped growing those years ago once I figured out its wild diploid ancestor C. cartwrightianus is rather a lot easier to grow--and not prone to dying out. "Wild Saffron". You can use it just like domesticated, except the "threads" (stigmas) are smaller.
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Post by jbl4430 on Jan 17, 2012 9:17:05 GMT -5
I agree that most commercial growers probably never think about seed. But with the large number of planst they are growing and the numerous flowers, there might be some seeds. I am interested in knowing about their seeds. I asked to apios farmer If they find seed ,collect and let me know. I will post if I get seed. |
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Post by castanea on Jan 17, 2012 10:31:08 GMT -5
I agree that most commercial growers probably never think about seed. But with the large number of planst they are growing and the numerous flowers, there might be some seeds. I am interested in knowing about their seeds. I asked to apios farmer If they find seed ,collect and let me know. I will post if I get seed. That will be interesting. |
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