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Post by blueadzuki on Jan 17, 2012 15:45:57 GMT -5
Quick question with regards to Apios seed. What exacly does healthy, mature seed look like. The one time I collected an apios seed, it wound up brown and ver shrivled. I attributed this to havin to collect it before it was ripe (it was literally a day away from a deep frost, and I was sure that, in the state it was in, the cold was going to freeze the seed solid and destroy it). But in the few pictures Ive seen on the web of Apios seed (admittedly, very few) the seed looks just as shrunken and wrinky as mine did. So is mature heathy seed smooth, or does ALL apios seed have those deep deep wrinkles and pits?
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Post by khoomeizhi on Jan 17, 2012 17:38:44 GMT -5
very limited experience here. i got a single seed from the single flower-spike on the only one of the several groundnut plants i had going that flowered at all. it's a fat, solid, round, slightly shiny little bean. it did dry on the plant (by september or so) before picking.
i'd take a pic, but the camera with macro is out of commission.
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Post by canadamike on Jan 17, 2012 22:50:27 GMT -5
I have been told by a friend who lives in an area plentiful with wild ones that seeds are not really easy to come by...I suspect it is not the favorite way of the plant to multiply. We are at the very northern limit of its range, maybe somebody living south of here can have the chance to put his hands on some seeds. Shrivelled seeds are sure sign that fruitful pollination did occur but at the same time we always end up with some shrivelled seeds in ALL leguminous crops that did not have time to mature. Mystery...oh mystery... If anybody can explain me why we find the sterile hemerocalis fulva all over the place despite its...sterility, maybe we will have the beginning of an answer regarding the apios dispersion without seeds in the north  |
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Post by khoomeizhi on Jan 21, 2012 21:41:40 GMT -5
just noticed what oikos tree crops says about one of the varieties of A. americana they sell: 'Virginia Groundnut — Apios americana Grown From Seed-Fertile Flowers Produce Edible Peas Many of the selections of groundnuts are naturally occurring triploids distributed by the Native Americans. Although usually more vigorous with better tuber production, triploids are known not to produce seeds. We were fortunate to some nice selections of groundnuts that are diploids and produce the pea pods and tasty peas along with good tuber production. These were grown from seed from Virgina. Each plant will be genetically different with different types of tubers. Pea production is suppose to be very good with this strain. Hardiness -25 °F. ' oikostreecrops.com/store/product.asp?numRecordPosition=21&P_ID=960&strPageHistory=cat&strKeywords=&SearchFor=&PT_ID=80 |
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Post by morelman on Jan 25, 2012 0:01:02 GMT -5
jbl4430: I am interested in how the Korean farmers you know grow apios commercially.
For example, in the pictures it looked like they are growing the plants in black plastic mulch. Are they planting single or double rows? How are they trellising the plants? How do they harvest the tubers (using a shovel, or do they have some type of special harvesting equipment?) Do they fertilize the plants? And do they prune the vines during the growing season?
I am very interested in growing apios and I was planning to plant some through plastic mulch this year. I was very excited when I came across this post and saw the pictures of the apios farm and the link to their website. I'd love to know more about these farms, but unfortunately I don't read Korean.
Thanks!
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Post by jbl4430 on Jan 25, 2012 20:16:31 GMT -5
jbl4430: I am interested in how the Korean farmers you know grow apios commercially. For example, in the pictures it looked like they are growing the plants in black plastic mulch. Are they planting single or double rows? How are they trellising the plants? How do they harvest the tubers (using a shovel, or do they have some type of special harvesting equipment?) Do they fertilize the plants? And do they prune the vines during the growing season? I am very interested in growing apios and I was planning to plant some through plastic mulch this year. I was very excited when I came across this post and saw the pictures of the apios farm and the link to their website. I'd love to know more about these farms, but unfortunately I don't read Korean. Thanks!  They use black plastic mulch,because of weeds(34 degrees Celsius) They use single law(except first year chinese yam from seed). Usually they use bamboo pieces import from China. They use tractor. They use animal compost from chicken or cow, pig. They never prune. For one year harvest , they use medium size tubers usually. Ask me any things about apios, yam,yacon and chinese artichoke. I will tell you from farmers. picasaweb.google.com/104202761789883118773/GongjoHere is more photos about groundnut and other tubers. Woo |
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Post by khoomeizhi on Jan 25, 2012 22:36:00 GMT -5
wow, lots of great pictures linked there...the little field of yacon is heartwarming...
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Post by orflo on Feb 19, 2012 3:22:50 GMT -5
A few weeks ago, someone contacted me saying he had some apios priceana seeds. I received some of these yesterday, now let's hope they germinate! He obtained them probably over here: www.mountaingardensherbs.com/specialties.htmlThere are some more interesting herbs to be found, gynostemma grows like hell and is quite weedy (over here), orygophragmus viol. is a nice plant, I tried sowing these years ago in autumn and making it a winter crop, but it didn't survive the winter, I'll try again, but this time a spring sowing. Ligusticum canadense and angelica sinensis seem to be interesting as well, never tried these... |
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Post by turtleheart on Feb 19, 2012 4:42:45 GMT -5
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Post by ottawagardener on Feb 19, 2012 13:22:41 GMT -5
I've seen seeds there too and though to of getting some.
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Post by Hristo on Feb 21, 2012 10:01:55 GMT -5
That is a really good news, Frank. Finally someone to offer priceana seeds!
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Post by stevil on Feb 22, 2012 5:53:22 GMT -5
A few weeks ago, someone contacted me saying he had some apios priceana seeds. I received some of these yesterday, now let's hope they germinate! He obtained them probably over here: www.mountaingardensherbs.com/specialties.htmlThere are some more interesting herbs to be found, gynostemma grows like hell and is quite weedy (over here), orygophragmus viol. is a nice plant, I tried sowing these years ago in autumn and making it a winter crop, but it didn't survive the winter, I'll try again, but this time a spring sowing. Ligusticum canadense and angelica sinensis seem to be interesting as well, never tried these... Interesting post, Frank. I grew the Orychophragmus last year (spring sown) and the roots had loads of buds in the autumn, so I was hoping they might make it through the winter, but maybe not. Interesting info on the web site that they use whole flower stalks - wasn't sure how to use it. Ligusticum canadense was new on me. Have grown L. porteri for some years and L. scoticum/hultenii (best spring blanched as quite strong) and a couple of others. If anyone's buying a packet (50 seeds it says) and wants to share a few seed I'll send 5 packets from my seed list in trade  There was also an interesting tip about Angelica sinensis for larger roots - I've grown it here for some years and it self-seeds, but not sure I should be eating women's ginseng - my beard might fall off or worse.... Attachments:
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