Apios priceana and fortunei

[castanea]

We have a couple of threads on Apios americana. I thought I would start this one just to discuss these two. Specifically it would be interesting to know if anyone ever has access to seeds or tubers of these.

It looks like the range of A. priceana is very limited. USDA GRIN does not list accessions of any Apios species. The Missouri Botanical Garden does have A. priceana:

www.centerforplantconservation.org/collection/cpc_viewprofile.asp?cpcnum=149

Other sites with information about A. priceana:

ncsu.edu/foodscience/USDAARS/Acrobatpubs/S61-90/S71.pdf

www.fws.gov/midwest/endangered/plants/pricesp.html

www.nature.org/ourinitiatives/regions/northamerica/unitedstates/mississippi/newsroom/north-miss-land-trust-acquires-preserve-that-harbors-rare-plants.xml

www.tn.gov/environment/na/natareas/barnett/

www.lbl.org/NRMForestryOpenLands.html

www.fishlib.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=3571

This Auburn University professor is overseeing a grad student working on A. priceana reproduction:

www.auburn.edu/academic/cosam/faculty/biology/boyd/lab/

A. priceana also has a large number of common names:

Traveler's Delight, Southern Groundnut, Groundnut, Native American groundnut, perennial groundnut, hardy groundnut, potato bean, Indian potato

[jbl4430]

Who knows what kind of apios of mine?

[Hristo]

Looks like americana. A. priceana and A. fortunei should bear a single tuber.

Last year was near total crop failure for my Apios americana, got only a few tubers, but here is how it looked in 2010:



If your is like this one - like a rosary, then for sure it's americana.

[orflo]

I'm with Hristo here, I think that's Americana as well. A. fortunei should have paler flowers compared to A. americana, and apios priceana is isn't really a very common plant, to say the least.
Castanea, good links there!!
It's strange that they do grow out apios americana in Korea, and not apios fortunei, might have to do something with productivity?

[jbl4430]

Jan 3, 2012 3:52:55 GMT -5 orflo said:

I'm with Hristo here, I think that's Americana as well. A. fortunei should have paler flowers compared to A. fortunei and apios priceana is isn't really a very common plant, to say the least.
Castanea, good links there!!
It's strange that they do grow out apios americana in Korea, and not apios fortunei, might have to do something with productivity?

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groundnut farm

[Hristo]

Beautiful farm! I'm pretty sure they are americana though. Do you know if your friend's apios produce seeds?

[jbl4430]

Jan 3, 2012 8:40:29 GMT -5 Hristo said:

Beautiful farm! I'm pretty sure they are americana though. Do you know if your friend's apios produce seeds?

Most doesn't produce seeds(bean),but some sorts apios (they plant)produce bean. But they don't care seeds,because they use tubers for next crop is healthy grow and produce more tubers.


Virginia Groundnut — Apios americana
Grown From Seed-Fertile Flowers Produce Edible Peas
Many of the selections of groundnuts are naturally occurring triploids distributed by the Native Americans. Although usually more vigorous with better tuber production, triploids are known not to produce seeds. We were fortunate to some nice selections of groundnuts that are diploids and produce the pea pods and tasty peas along with good tuber production. These were grown from seed from Virgina. Each plant will be genetically different with different types of tubers. Pea production is suppose to be very good with this strain. Hardiness -25 °F.

[castanea]

Jan 3, 2012 11:04:10 GMT -5 jbl4430 said:

Jan 3, 2012 8:40:29 GMT -5 Hristo said:

Beautiful farm! I'm pretty sure they are americana though. Do you know if your friend's apios produce seeds?

Most doesn't produce seeds(bean),but some sorts apios (they plant)produce bean. But they don't care seeds,because they use tubers for next crop is healthy grow and produce more tubers.

There are people in the US and Europe who would like to have seeds.

[Hristo]

jbl4430, I will paraphrase Castanea:
There are people in this forum who prefer seeds over tubers. Why? Because here are quite a few hobby breeders and seeds are good for us.
I have 4 accessions: my oldest apios was grown from seed, so I'm sure it's diploid, but it flowers late and the few pods didn't ripen (unfortunately I think I lost it last year); the second one (on the image) is from orflo - it's bigger and maybe is a triploid (have not seen pods); the last 2 I got recently as tubers and do not know much for them yet.

[jbl4430]

For business, should be bigger and economy(good harvest),They looking for always --I think.
We are hobby, they are expert.
I am not much sure , apios is better than potato.
But Who crop apios said better than potato, always.
You decide .

[jbl4430]

There are people in the US and Europe who would like to have seeds.[/quote]

Already we knows several supplier.
Only thing is variety.
I know Korean special farmer huge growing apios and chinese artichoke.
Which one is better or even same I don' know.

[davida]

Jan 4, 2012 10:32:34 GMT -5 jbl4430 said:

I am not much sure , apios is better than potato.
But Who crop apios said better than potato, always.
You decide .

As we learned with extreme heat and pests in 2011, it is not a matter of apios is better than potato. If we grow both (and yacon and other root crops, to boot), maybe we will have a good crop of one. If all produce a great yield, we have plenty to sell and/or share.

[castanea]

Jan 4, 2012 10:43:14 GMT -5 jbl4430 said:

There are people in the US and Europe who would like to have seeds.

Already we knows several supplier.
Only thing is variety.
I know Korean special farmer huge growing apios and chinese artichoke.
Which one is better or even same I don' know.[/quote]

Do they have true seeds or tubers?

[jbl4430]

Do they have true seeds or tubers?[/quote]

I don't understand the meaning---"true seeds or tubers"
They are groundnut commercial farmer.
Did you see the photo?
How much care about tubers for seed do you know?
They produce tons of apios every year and send to market.

[castanea]

Tubers:

tinycamper.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/groundnuts.jpg

Seeds:

www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/proceedings1990/figures/v1-438a.jpg