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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on May 25, 2012 20:31:22 GMT -5
I counted nodes on some snow/snap peas in a different garden that have been blooming for a while. The first blossoms are at node 13... The nodes are about 5" apart, so the plants are about 5 feet tall. On the shelling peas the nodes are only about 3/4 inch apart, so the plant is about 5" tall.
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Post by templeton on May 25, 2012 23:38:56 GMT -5
My late summer/autumn plantings of my purple X snow F1s are quite variable in earliness and height. This photo shows the first of march sowings. The metal pole holding up the trellis is around 2 metres high - making the tall plants well over three metres. Talk about hybrid vigour! Much more robust than the parents. I've checked the nodes to first flower on all of these, and it ranges from 13 for some crosses to 20 for others. Some of these plants are still yet to flower. Even my dwarf growouts - Yorkshire hero and Cascadia which are much earlier than my F1s, are 12 or 11 N2FF. I'm counting each leaf-clasping stem group as a node, right? With or without tendril. T Attachments:
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on May 26, 2012 0:09:31 GMT -5
I'm counting each leaf-clasping stem group as a node, right? With or without tendril. T That's how I'm counting... If there is a whorl of stems (right at the ground) I call that a node as well. |
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on May 27, 2012 12:54:23 GMT -5
My new preliminary results show these at the top:
1. Carouby De Maussane
2. Virescens Mutante
3. Biskopens
4. Canoe/Markana (planted late, but fairly fast, very healthy, supposed to have 12 peas/pod, and is hyper-tendriled (semi-leafless))
5. Golden Sweet
6. Umbellata (green)
7. Mummy White
8. Spaeths H. R. F. or PI 269802 (planted next to each other not sure which is which right now)
9. Tom Thumb (super dwarf)
10. Magnolia Blossom
11. Sugar Magnolia
12. Aa94
13. Mighty Midget (dwarf)
14. Nordost Fruehe Gruene (planted late, but healthy)
15. Shiraz (healthy, but extremely slow grower, dwarf?)
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Post by 12540dumont on May 27, 2012 17:35:41 GMT -5
Templeton, I'm green with envy...ohh a greenhouse.... nice peas too. Joseph, where's the photo. I should pick peas today. Attachments:
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Post by templeton on May 27, 2012 19:06:32 GMT -5
Templeton, I'm green with envy...ohh a greenhouse.... Last year's birthday present to myself. At the moment I'm tossing up on whether I should sow my F2 seed that is just ripening on my F1 purple snow crosses. Seeds are still green in the pods, but I successfully trialed green seed planting last summer after a tip off from Raymondo. This is a delicate timing thing - if I sow now, I might get seed by September, which would give me time for another generation - just - before the summer heat kicks in. Bit risky - They might flower late, or we might get an early hot summer, or the espalier apricots which I will be planting under (running out of room) might burst into leaf and spoil everything... I'm so impatient to see what I've got. T |
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on May 31, 2012 10:00:48 GMT -5
I created a table for recording quantitative data on my peas last night, which i think will be helpful in using in graphs and comparisons later. a link to this table can be found here: docs.google.com/document/d/1g3PzirJ3AgK95Y_QZiDFBBVGIBwFIAlqj2HhGlf_5Lg/editI scaled my peas today based only on health/growth, and seed size. Then i took the average numbers for both ratings and graphed them. The results for the peas in the top ten have now changed. I haven't recorded any information on sweetness or flavors yet, but i can already see that this list will probably change dramatically when i do. Here are the new preliminary results: 1. Virescens Mutante 2. Honey Pod 3. PI 269802 4. Bijou 5. Carouby De Mausanne 6. Umbellata (green) 7. Canoe / Markana 8. Sugar Magnolia 9. Shiraz 10. Biskopens |
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Post by davida on May 31, 2012 10:43:37 GMT -5
I created a table for recording quantitative data on my peas last night Keen, I am enjoying reading about your results. This is the first year that peas have been wildly successful with the family. Holly sent us some Sugar Magnolia seeds. My granddaughter would leave the strawberries to eat Holly's peas. My daughter and her preferred the peas and ranch dip to chips and dip. The last of the Sugar Magnolia pods are on the vine drying for the fall crop. But in the fall, we will use a better trellis system. These can get tall, supposedly up to 8' tall. David |
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on May 31, 2012 14:50:06 GMT -5
Thanks David, I'm glad you are enjoying my posts on these. I consider it to be quite fun research. I am particularly interested in any varieties that thrive in heat (full sun) and drought conditions. I have high hopes for Virescens M. in this regard. However, i have heard several reports that Wando is the heat loving variety i am looking for. Perhaps i will be adventurous and purchase a pack or two of Wando to plant in the full summer heat.
EDIT: I just purchased two packets of Wando seeds online. I can't wait to plant some this summer. The ones that i read that might be heat tolerant were Laxton's Progress #9, Dark Green Perfection, Lincoln, and Wando. After reading on one website that Wando was the result of breeding Laxtons Progress and Perfection together i decided that sealed the deal. So i ordered some. Plus several reviews for California, Texas, and Utah stated that Wando is perfect for their climates.
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Jun 3, 2012 16:57:06 GMT -5
I saw my first pink flowered pea today. It was actually pretty cool.  I can't find my camera otherwise i would have tried to take a picture, but even if i had it it might not come out very well since it seems like it's a light colored pink. But the point is that it is not a bicoloured purple, nor a white flowered pea. And this is not the one known as the Salmon Flowered Pea, but i believe it to be the same recessive trait as Salmon Flowered (outer petals are white with inner petals light pink). My labels were a bit weird in this section of the yard, but i believe it to be Spaeth's Hohenheimer Rosablaettrige Futter. I tried to use google translate to translate what this means, and the best i could do was perhaps pink or red leaved foliage. It has some small red splotches at each leaf clump, but other than that they are not very ornamental. Just the flowers apparently, which are very cool. The one which i believe is Mummy-pea nearby is starting to show some fasciation and is showing very pink stems. It is incredibly ornamental.  |
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Post by oxbowfarm on Jun 3, 2012 17:11:06 GMT -5
In my first pea planting, which was supposedly Sugar Ann, the following pea types showed up.
Snap Peas, Snow Peas, Shelling Peas. Some of the shelling pea types had pink/purple flowers. I've never seen peas this full of off-types before. They were all fairly similar in dwarfing though.
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Post by caledonian on Jun 3, 2012 20:27:39 GMT -5
They've mostly been eaten by rabbits. A few are regrowing, and I've attempted to provide the shoots some protection.
Oddly enough, the only variety that the rabbits didn't touch is the Parsley Pea I got from Adaptive seeds - the very short, stocky variety that produces clusters of leaflets instead of tendrils. For some unknown reason, they didn't seem to want to eat it.
I consider this to be a sufficiently valuable trait that I may try some breeding experiments with the plants instead of just growing them out as a curiosity. I know that crossing this pea sometimes results in hypertendril plants, which might also be useful.
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Jun 3, 2012 22:50:01 GMT -5
Oddly enough, the only variety that the rabbits didn't touch is the Parsley Pea I got from Adaptive seeds - the very short, stocky variety that produces clusters of leaflets instead of tendrils. For some unknown reason, they didn't seem to want to eat it. That's certainly interesting... particularly since i tried tasting all the leaves of my peas the other day. I was planning on rating their foliage taste, but pretty much all of them weren't tasty. Although i suspect that certain pod traits are also expressed in the foliage. Some of them like Tom Thumb were slightly crunchy and very fiberous; it was almost like eating a shelling pea pod, but instead it was the leaves. Others like Golden Sweet while not being much tastier had a more delicate thin quality which i assume is because of less fibers in the pod as well. Arguably the worst tasting one was the Parsley Pea, which i spit out fairly quickly. So i can empathize with the rabbits. lol. |
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Post by raymondo on Jun 4, 2012 3:23:39 GMT -5
In my first pea planting, which was supposedly Sugar Ann, the following pea types showed up. Snap Peas, Snow Peas, Shelling Peas. Some of the shelling pea types had pink/purple flowers. I've never seen peas this full of off-types before. They were all fairly similar in dwarfing though. What a hodgepodge of types! What was the seed source? I'll be sure to stay away! |
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Post by robertb on Jun 4, 2012 11:28:43 GMT -5
I saw my first pink flowered pea today. It was actually pretty cool. I can't find my camera otherwise i would have tried to take a picture, but even if i had it it might not come out very well since it seems like it's a light colored pink. But the point is that it is not a bicoloured purple, nor a white flowered pea. And this is not the one known as the Salmon Flowered Pea, but i believe it to be the same recessive trait as Salmon Flowered (outer petals are white with inner petals light pink). My labels were a bit weird in this section of the yard, but i believe it to be Spaeth's Hohenheimer Rosablaettrige Futter. I tried to use google translate to translate what this means, and the best i could do was perhaps pink or red leaved foliage. It has some small red splotches at each leaf clump, but other than that they are not very ornamental. Just the flowers apparently, which are very cool. ] It's a much lighter pink than salmon flowered, which is a real salmon pink as the name implies. |
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