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Post by templeton on Jun 15, 2012 8:43:41 GMT -5
I'm going to try a few crosses myself - Golden Podded to Cascadia, but not sure how they will set over winter. might be too cold.
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Post by littleminnie on Jun 15, 2012 18:35:36 GMT -5
I have been picking snap and snow all week and I am so excited! The gophers always eat my peas and this year I actually have a crop. I keep them covered until big enough to handle nibbling or until I can't keep them covered anymore. This makes it hard to trellis them nicely afterward. Usually the gophers reach up and shred the pods and eat the peas but so far they haven't even done this to the low ones. The shelling peas will be ready Sunday and are very big. I have been picking almost 2 pecks every other day of the snow and snap.  |
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Jun 18, 2012 7:29:20 GMT -5
I have to say that Carouby de Maussane has the largest snow peas i have ever seen (and they aren't even full size yet)! Canoe also has the longest pods i have ever seen. I can't imagine what a cross between the two would produce, but i think it should definitely be attempted!! Honey Pod looks interesting because it looks like it may be some sort of snap pea. Shiraz dosen't look all that impressive so far in terms of pod color. It's about the same as Midnight Snow so far. In comparison, Sugar Magnolia is a very dark and fully expressed purple color. Sugar Magnolia is my new favorite purple podded pea. Opal Creek is finally starting to produce some pods, but to be honest i think i prefer the yellow pod color on snow peas, and i think i will try to breed a yellow podded Carouby. EDIT: p.s. The heat is affecting the color of the pea flowers, and while i did not take a picture of the flowers on Mummy-pea, i'd just like to say that they are also pink-and-white, possibly salmon pink. And considering that there is also a salmon flowered pea that is also an umbellatum (almost flowering, but not quite to compare) i find the possibility that mummy-pea and salmon flowered to be related to be likely. From what i remember of what the seed coats looked like was that mummy-pea had redish mottles maple patterns, while salmon flowered had brown seeds.  Carouby de Maussane  Canoe (aka. Markana)  Honey Pod (might be some sort of old-style snap pea?)  Shiraz  Opal Creek  Sugar Magnolia |
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Post by edwin on Jun 18, 2012 13:47:29 GMT -5
Our sugar peas all taste like cardboard. It's the heat. Great harvest - look wonderful, but cardboard taste and somewhat rubbery. We grew: Norli Carouby de Maussane Dwarf Grey Sugar Golden Sweet We should be breaking 90 F in the next couple of days. We are planning on pulling and planting some drying peas. It's hard to do though - such beautiful peas in such abundance.  We are leaving in: Sugar Magnolia Amish Snap Amish Snap have held up reasonably well to the hot weather. Just Love them. |
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Post by littleminnie on Jun 18, 2012 19:10:03 GMT -5
I am still dumbfounded at my getting to harvest peas, not the gophers. The deer nibbled at the tips but I still have been picking a few pecks a week. Now I know where my time has been going! ;D
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Jun 26, 2012 2:31:17 GMT -5
most of my peas are dead or dying now. The heat seems to have gotten most of them, but i will be trying to go back and collect any pods that produced seeds. A few umbellatum types are trying to produce pods and I hope they make it. I was not able to observe the blossom colors of salmon flowered because the heat diluted the color. Carouby actually did pretty well and produced a fair crop even in this heat. sugar magnolia also seems to be doing pretty well. But the one taking the heat the best seems to be Virescens Mutante and it is still alive and fairly healthy! It seems to have snow pea type pods and is almost producing as good a crop as Carouby de M.
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Post by Darth Slater on Jun 26, 2012 8:17:04 GMT -5
I have tried to get a hold of Rebsie Fairholm, and can not find a way to contact her, as some of you know I want red podded snow, and snap peas I saw these on her site and showed a pic to my chefs who at that point freaked out big time!!
Please, if any of you are working on this I would love to do a mass growout, some for sale to chefs and the others for seed production.
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Jun 26, 2012 10:28:06 GMT -5
I'm expecting around 1400 F2 seed this summer from a [yellow snow X purple snap] cross that I made last fall. Send me a PM in about August: I'll make seed available to collaborators who agree to grow it out and send back a portion of the harvested seed, if any. Eventually I'd expect to be able to select populations with all possible combinations of red/yellow/purple pods and snow/snap. I'll be interested to see if the snow/snap distinction is a simple segregation, or if some of the descendants are tough podded. There are so many dominant/recessive genes involved in this cross that doing the math would create enough stress that I'd snarl at my dog, and when I snarl at my dog...
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Jun 26, 2012 13:56:33 GMT -5
I'm expecting around 1400 F2 seed this summer from a [yellow snow X purple snap] cross that I made last fall. Send me a PM in about August: I'll make seed available to collaborators who agree to grow it out and send back a portion of the harvested seed, if any. Eventually I'd expect to be able to select populations with all possible combinations of red/yellow/purple pods and snow/snap. I'll be interested to see if the snow/snap distinction is a simple segregation, or if some of the descendants are tough podded. There are so many dominant/recessive genes involved in this cross that doing the math would create enough stress that I'd snarl at my dog, and when I snarl at my dog... I tried some crosses, but I’m not really sure at this point if i was successful or not. I marked them with tags though. All i know is that i would like the purple parent to be Sugar Magnolia since that one did the best out of the purples in my heat and drought this year. Shiraz tried, but the colour faded early on and the plants were not as good as Sugar Magnolia. Midnight Snow seems to have failed completely in the heat. PI 269802 turned out to be a purple shelling type and the colour did not fade too much on it, but i think Sugar Magnolia really is a major improvement on the purple shelling types, so it would be better to just use it in my future crosses. |
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Post by littleminnie on Jun 26, 2012 20:58:19 GMT -5
How far away do the various pea varieties need to be planted to not get crossed seed? I have had crossed bean seed before.
My Tall Telephone are now doing great just in time too, b/c the Snap are getting all nasty and stopped producing, and the Snow look great but have so few pods. I am disappointed because the Snap are PM resistant yet they are the ones getting it. Sunday I quick sprayed fungal spray and fish to try to hold them a bit longer but with days of 90 coming tomorrow I don't think they will keep going. I picked beans today so they can replace the peas I guess.
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Post by edwin on Jun 27, 2012 18:47:02 GMT -5
For us it is the reverse - the snow peas are inedible, but the snap peas are doing fine - especially the Amish snap. Our tall telephone is just starting. We do have some Mrs. Van (trellis) - it appears to be almost 2 weeks earlier.
We haven't had any peas cross yet, and we are certainly growing them close enough. In a 24x5 ft bed we have 3 tall peas in the middle and 3 short peas on the outsides.
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Post by potter on Jun 28, 2012 6:50:01 GMT -5
I'm growing shiraz first time too...and as raw 'peas'..not impressed. We've had loads of rain..not too hot..all the conditions are perfect for them..and yet they are lacking sweetness in flavour...and the colour, dissapointing, they start 'fading' back into green as soon as they grow bit larger. I haven't tried them cooked yet..if I manage to calm down my munching straight from the plant for few days I might start getting enough for cooking..  Mr. Big is not failing me this year..again..they are doing sooo well..load of HUGE pods coming on. Swedish Skansk Margart is doing well...plants are about 5 ft tall and first flowers are just opening up..I'm expecting good crop from those too. Golden Sweet and Luang Prabang peas would do well to if birds would leave them alone.. ..don't know why just those two get ripped into pieces and others varieties left alone. Well..netted them so hopefully they bounce back with plenty of new growth. Couple of more weeks and crops should start rolling in.. ;D |
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Post by robertb on Jun 28, 2012 11:22:01 GMT -5
Mine were under six inches of water this morning. We'll see whether they survive!
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Jun 29, 2012 0:31:11 GMT -5
I tasted the offspring of the yellow snow pea and the purple snap pea. IT WAS NOT MANGE-TOUT!!! First harvest of shelling peas. [Not the first to produce edible peas, but like many things in a research and development garden, I only get to pick the seconds for eating.]   |
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Post by littleminnie on Jun 29, 2012 20:58:35 GMT -5
The purple peas must be easier to pick. Unless they are like purple beans with purple stems. I think they have green stems right?
Well I am watching the temps and my ups and downs on peas. It was 2 weeks prior to the slow down of snap and snow that we had really hot weather. Now almost 3 weeks after they are producing again. But the English peas weren't quite so plentiful today. Seems like they slow down 2.5 weeks after hot weather? It is very hot again but I think this will be it because it is too many days of heat in a row and humidity too.
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