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Post by oxbowfarm on May 22, 2012 5:54:39 GMT -5
My garlic seems to be behaving oddly. Or perhaps I'm just not paying attention and garlic always does this? I had noticed it happening last year as well and forgot about it. I've been growing a hardneck variety that I thought was Music for the last 5 years or so. What is happening is that after the garlic sends out the scape, it starts sending out additional shoots from the leaves at the top of the plant. Is this normal and I've just never noticed it before last year? I added two varieties this year, Spanish Roja and Russian Red. They do not appear to be doing this but neither of them have sent out scapes yet, the "Music" is all scaped and curled already and now I'm seeing the extra shoots... Here's a pic.  |
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Post by mnjrutherford on May 22, 2012 11:27:24 GMT -5
I'm not seeing what your are talking about.... Can you "point a finger" at it? I WANT to say, that you didn't notice it before. But there are a couple things that I THINK fit what you are talking about. Regardless, that's one pretty plant you got growing there!
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Post by oxbowfarm on May 22, 2012 12:08:12 GMT -5
I don't know what garlic terminology is so I'll use grass terminology. Where the sheath transitions to the blade, there are extra leaves/shoots emerging from the sheath on the blade side. On the picture, there is one extra leaf emerging from the top leaf sheath and 4 of them emerging on the next leaf down.
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Post by mnjrutherford on May 22, 2012 12:49:03 GMT -5
ok... gotcha. Now, don't quote me on this... I've only been growing garlic for a couple years now so I'm not an expert by any means. That said, I THINK (I can tell I'm thinking because there is smoke coming from my ears ;o) that is just something you haven't noticed before. Paquebot is far more knowledgeable on the subject of garlic than I am. You might want to drop him a PM. He'll know for sure.
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Post by 12540dumont on May 22, 2012 15:07:21 GMT -5
Happening at my farm too. But here's something even stranger. Look at these scapes. Straight as an arrow. Ready to bust out and bloom. Attachments:
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Post by oxbowfarm on May 22, 2012 17:44:33 GMT -5
So this is a normal thing that I've never noticed before? I had always thought that once the scape appeared the plant was done growing leaves and switched to growing the scape and the bulb.
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Post by templeton on May 22, 2012 17:53:20 GMT -5
Happening at my farm too. But here's something even stranger. Look at these scapes. Straight as an arrow. Ready to bust out and bloom. I only ever get straight scapes... Oxbow, I've never seen extra 'post flowering' leaves like that. Just wondering what might initiate such growth... T |
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Post by mnjrutherford on May 22, 2012 23:41:54 GMT -5
I'd still like to hear what Paquebot has to say about it. I'm pretty new to garlic, but I am fascinated by it. The straight versus curled scape seems to be a varietal trait. I won't get scapes because I only have softnecks in ground. BUT, I MIGHT get seed? FAR to early to tell...
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Post by bluelacedredhead on May 23, 2012 8:15:31 GMT -5
Mine haven't sent out scapes yet so I'll be waiting and watching to see if mine does this  |
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Post by paquebot on May 25, 2012 14:23:25 GMT -5
This does happen from time to time and no obvious reason for it. I've got scapes on some garlic at home, including Music, but all normal. I'll go through the field tomorrow and look for those oddities and note which varieties are involve, if any. Everything looked normal yesterday but I was not looking for that. I did note a few plants which came up like a clump of grass. Those are not saved.
Martin
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Post by oxbowfarm on May 25, 2012 21:08:16 GMT -5
They are pretty much all doing it to one degree or another. Some of them have grown to the point where you can see it is another stalk coming out of the sheath, like an ear of corn would. I'm wondering why this variety is doing this? The Russian Red is just starting to scape out over the last two days, no sign of extra leaves.
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Post by paquebot on May 26, 2012 0:30:33 GMT -5
Didn't see anything like that in the Music today but much of the field has not yet begun making scapes. Found one variety, Russian Renegade, with multiple plants in clusters up to 5. Looks like we planted whole bulbs but apparently it's common for that rocambole type.
Martin
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Post by mnjrutherford on May 26, 2012 5:05:46 GMT -5
What zone are you in Ox? If Martin's Music doesn't have this trait, I'm wondering what variety to you might have?
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Post by paquebot on May 26, 2012 14:14:05 GMT -5
"Ox" is in NY and perhaps 1 zone warmer than here. Climate should therefore not be a factor. Seed source may be suspect since that growth is quite un-Music. To date, Music is the tallest variety that I've ever grown with one being 78" from bottom of bulb to tip of scape. Not certain when we first got it but I would say around 2002. The only variation noted is some with pink in bulbs and stems. Although some call it Pink Music, I personally do not agree as I have seen both from the same plant. And how can I say from the same plant? I saved all of the bulbils from one Music head and planted them back. Took 3 years to become large enough to make a divided bulb and some had red.
Martin
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Post by mnjrutherford on May 26, 2012 14:48:39 GMT -5
See, I knew you would have the answers Martin! I plan to plant some bulbils and knowing this will be useful to me.
Tell me, have you ever tried just leaving the bulbs in ground for a year or two? What was your result? I left some behind last year and they are growing again this year. I'm thinking that I will divide some, like you would a daffodil, and leave others whole, to see if they will produce seed next year.
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