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Post by MawkHawk on Jan 14, 2008 7:40:45 GMT -5
(eish) Perhaps what we need is a minimum IQ level for all voters? Just like you used to have to be a land owner to vote....
Barack's middle name is Hussein anyhow and he had no muslim upbringing.
I find it kind of funny that that's a pretty racist message that they're sending out and it accuses Obama of being a racist...weird... And Obama is 1/2 black. His mother was white.
"Completely un-PC of me, but in looking at Hiking's avatar, I all-at-once understand the urge to send someone a smallpox-infused blanket... (top that kind of evilness, Mawkhawk! HA!) "
Heh, I get what you're saying here. I actually read the book that describes this event.
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Post by lavandulagirl on Jan 14, 2008 8:56:51 GMT -5
I went back to that stupid thread on idig and called it like I see it, piggybacking on Ohiorganics post. Bigots!!!! It's awful. Jali - sorry you're subjected to those emails... I'm all for un-PC in most cases, but I cannot STAND true bigotry.
(In the interest of full disclosure, I am pretty sensitive on the race subject. My husband is also mixed race, with a black father and a white mother. My kids are what used to be called quadroons. It never occured to me that this would be an issue til we moved to Virginia, where you are either black or white, and with 25% black blood, I was told to list them as black... gotta count them people accurately, you know!)
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Post by redbrick on Jan 14, 2008 9:48:37 GMT -5
Boy, I so wish I hadn't defended the idea of discussing the rumor when that thread first started. I honestly thought that if you get the lie out in the open, it'll be exposed for what it is. Sheesh, and look what happened!
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Post by lavandulagirl on Jan 14, 2008 9:56:48 GMT -5
But see, Andy, discussion involves an adult interplay of ideas, where open minds are used. I think the point of the thread was more to spread unfounded rumors. Silly you, trying to interject adult behavior! ;D
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Post by redbrick on Jan 14, 2008 10:33:26 GMT -5
Gee, what was I thinking?!!!!! BTW, in another thread, Winter Unfazed so kindly supplied a list of different kinds of faulty reasoning, including one that translates to the "bullcrap" logic. It was so apropriate to the discussion of the rumor that I had to post it, along with a statement of my disgust! Here's the quote if anyone's interested:
The argumentum ex stercore tauri. Literally, "manure-pile logic." This is the technique in which many half-truths or incomplete truths are mashed together to make an implication that is ultimately false. It appeals to the popular masses in many cases, but not to those who carefully research and study the claims. The most common form of this is the misuse of statistical results to reach post-hoc conclusions.
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Post by Jim on Jan 14, 2008 11:48:48 GMT -5
99% of posts by Winter Unfazed make me want to blind myself.
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Post by LoreD on Jan 14, 2008 12:07:54 GMT -5
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Post by MawkHawk on Jan 14, 2008 13:45:12 GMT -5
99% of posts by Winter Unfazed make me want to blind myself. Hahaha, that's really funny! BTW, someone told me that WU is like 17 years old....FWIW That should make you feel even better.....
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Post by Jim on Jan 14, 2008 16:23:17 GMT -5
He keeps making reference to the point that he's a virgin and all kinds of other "quackery" that drives me nuts. Like it has anything at all to do with gardening.
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Post by PapaVic on Jan 14, 2008 18:56:48 GMT -5
Just for the record ...
I am white. My great grandparents came from Estonia, Poland and Ukraine. I have Jewish grandparents and Roman Catholic grandparents. So, the only prejudice and hate I have personally experienced is between the two sides of my family.
But I was born in Austin (1948) and then grew up in Mississippi from 1950 to 1962, when we moved to Alexandria, Virginia, where the public schools were integrated that very year. In Mississippi, the schools I attended were segregated. I graduated in the first integrated graduating class in Alexandria. I've been exposed to racism all my life in Mississippi, in Northern Virginia, at college in North Carolina, in West Virginia, in Southern Indiana, and for the entire 60 years of my life. Hey, it's everywhere.
And even though I have never been the victim of racism, I know what it is and can recognize it immediately anytime and anywhere. It's not really that hard considering how readily it's launched in this country.
I distinctly remember, for example, my father being threatened with death by the Klan, and a cross being burned in our front yard when he campaigned for Kennedy in the Mississippi Delta in 1960. The Klan killed one of his best friends for the same thing. My nickname in school for the last two years we lived in Mississippi was "you nigger-lover."
My younger daughter, until very recently, was engaged to an African American with whom she has been in love since middle school. She's 26, so she has experienced racism for at least half her life. My older daughter was engaged to a Muslim for 3 years, but he moved back to Oman, and my daughter wisely decided she had little future there as a career woman. Telal was a very good person, however, and I really wish he'd decided to stay in America ... but his family and his business was in the Middle East.
Bottom line is I can smell that racist shit from five miles away. The crap being spread at IDig is rank with it, and I don't care how carefully anyone over there tries to mask it with innuendos and cover stories. It's there and it's obvious.
And that Ron Paul newsletter cover story is transparent as well. It's obvious he is a fellow traveller with the same bunch of wacked out neo-nazi, Klan-wannabe militia types and "white citizens committee/John Birchers whom I have seen operate and listened to all my life. He may be swimming in the more populist end of the pool ... but the water is polluted with their vile contaminants.
Take it for what it's worth ... just my opinion here.
Bill
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Post by LoreD on Jan 14, 2008 19:04:16 GMT -5
I just got a response from Hiking, he said that if he presented an "idea" it wasn't his responsibility to prove it, but the responsibility of everyone else to disprove it. He also said that the negative responses had hurt his feelings. LoreD
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Post by PapaVic on Jan 14, 2008 19:09:15 GMT -5
So ... if you paint your house with some vile color, expect the neighbors to make some negative remarks.
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Post by lavandulagirl on Jan 14, 2008 19:21:57 GMT -5
Bill - you and I are in total agreement here. I find the Paul papers very disturbing. Who allows other people to write that kind of crap in their name, and doesn't disavow it immediately? And if the so-called ghostwriter was such a great Paul supporter that he was entrusted with the job of writing in the Paul name, why won't he come forward and fall on his own sword for the "great man" now? I think I'm going to write myself in at the VA primary.
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Post by oldgaredneck on Jan 14, 2008 19:41:28 GMT -5
My turn to jump on the soapbox here - I for one am also guilty of visiting idig when I should just forget those "educated folks" there. I am getting VERY tired of Jere bashing veterans - I'd like to give him to a platoon of marines...... I do realize that all we veterans are not perfect (by a LONG shot), but all his negative posts just piss me off.... Ok, I'm off the box (for now, anyway)
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Post by lavandulagirl on Jan 14, 2008 20:06:14 GMT -5
OG - I think Jere is still too young and sheltered to realize that there's a big difference between the guy carrying out his job, and the political machinations that create the situation he finds himself in. Not to excuse his attitude, but to temper your anger at him. (Plus, it is never good to waste your frustration on the kids who ride the short bus - they can't help that they don't understand.) Sorry - I'll say penance for that one - it was a cheap shot
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