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Post by hortusbrambonii on Apr 6, 2013 13:30:48 GMT -5
Interesting overview, Holly!
Mine are very close to your 'scarlet runner', a bit variable but mostly purple/black speckled like yours, sometimes with a lot more purple.
I think most runner beans in the benelux probably are scarlet runner anyway...
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Post by Joseph Lofthouse on Apr 6, 2013 14:22:24 GMT -5
As to Davida and the slippery slope, I did not push. I merely sent him a "few" beans in the mail. Fedzy and Bunkie will vouch for me...or maybe Joseph or Steev? Just a few seeds in the mail. Sorry Holly. I'm going to hang you out to dry on this one...  As a bit of background, Holly sent me Lupini, Fava, and mange tout landrace pea seed: Enough to plant more than hundred feet of row of each of them. And then, just to be sure she sent me another even bigger shipment of the same seeds!!!  I've already planted them, and had plenty of seed left over, so I'm doing a preparation test on the lupinis. I cooked some Fava for the first time in my life. Enough to know that I could cook them, eat them, and enjoy them. Last summer I tasted raw immature tepary bean seeds. They looked so great in those almost smooth pods. The taste was so horrid that I definitely knew for the rest of the day that I had been poisoned. The dry seeds have only a hint of bitterness. |
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Post by blueadzuki on Apr 6, 2013 16:39:26 GMT -5
I don't know US currency so I can't judge the size of the seeds. How big is that giant white one? I've seen gigandes of different sizes, from an inch long up to about an inch and a half. The others look more like normal runners, though the black ones are more square than usual. A US quarter is about the size of an "old" 10p lion coin (before the shrunk them) or a little larger than a "round pound" (I think the size of a 2 pound coin is pretty close, but as I haven't seen a lot of those I can't be sure) |
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Post by zeedman on Apr 6, 2013 23:00:18 GMT -5
Well, as a legumaniac, I resemble that remark.  Regarding large white beans, I've seen both limas & runner beans with white seeds often misidentified as to species; limas as runners, and vice versa. In my search for "Gigandes" runner beans, I was sent "Gigantes", which turned out to be a lima. Last year, I was fortunate enough to finally come across the real "Gigandes", sent by someone in Greece to a poster on another forum (Dar Jones), who then kindly forwarded some to me. In my trial planting, I was very impressed by the seed size, and the flavor as shellies. Unfortunately, hail & sustained heat severely reduced the yield last year; I only got about 100 dry seeds, and a meal of shellies, before frost. But the silver lining was that "Gigandes" demonstrated that it will mature in my climate (I had my doubts). If the weather cooperates, I hope to further increase my stock with a large planting this year. BTW, I also grew "Bianco de Spagna" last year, and the seeds sent to me were nearly identical to "Gigandes" in appearance. Unfortunately, since the "Bianco de Spagna" never fully developed (they were severely stunted by the heat) I couldn't compare the flavor, or the dry seed weights. A very large white-seeded lima that I tried to grow several years back was "Hija"; seeds larger (but flatter) than "Gigandes". Rather unusual, in that it had light purple flowers resembling P. vulgaris. Unfortunately, it was either photo-period sensitive, or very long DTM (I suspect the former) and the pods had barely begun to fill out when frost put an end to them. Too bad, I was really looking forward to trying them as gigantic fresh butterbeans. |
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Post by 12540dumont on Apr 7, 2013 11:34:56 GMT -5
Zeed, The Tarahumara is in the front of this photo. Notice how much shorter it is than the other beans. Leo often chastises it for not climbing. This is it's 3rd summer in the same plot. Oh St. Joe...no one eats raw tepary beans. That's it my friends, turn against me. I guess I should join a different forum....  Or maybe I'll just go out and plant beans... Attachments:
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Post by zeedman on Apr 7, 2013 17:17:12 GMT -5
Zeed, The Tarahumara is in the front of this photo. Notice how much shorter it is than the other beans. ... Thanks for the photo, Holly, it answers a few questions I had about the Tarahumara. Hopefully that short habit means that it will flower & set seed early. One question, though; are my eyes deceiving me, or are the flowers multiple colors? |
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Post by 12540dumont on Apr 11, 2013 22:09:09 GMT -5
Zeedman, against all my better judgment, I sent out the seeds of this to you. I suggest you start them indoors as soon as they get there. These are not as early as Insuks Wang Kong.
I'm going to start a Phaseolus Dumosus this year. Here might be the answer to an earlier bean.
Interesting book for you beaniacs: Gene Flow Between Crops and Their Wild Relatives
Check out chapter 8, starts on page 161.
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Post by bunkie on Apr 12, 2013 12:26:34 GMT -5
....As to Davida and the slippery slope, I did not push. I merely sent him a "few" beans in the mail. Fedzy and Bunkie will vouch for me...or maybe Joseph or Steev? Just a few seeds in the mail. Holly...I hear no evil, I see no evil, I speak no evil!!!  This thread reminds me of the one michel started back in '09.... alanbishop.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=beans&action=display&thread=2154&page=1I grew his 'special' beans, but I see the pics are missing. Will have to see if I can find them, and repost. They were a runner bean for sure. On this thread also is dan talking about Spagna Blanco, and I was wondering if it's the same as Bianco de Spagna zeedman posted, and the one you posted earlier about Holly? I grew those in '10, but had the same probleem dan had. I also will be growing some Greek Gigantes sent to me this winter. Will be curious to see how they grow. |
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I've already planted them, and had plenty of seed left over, so I'm doing a preparation test on the lupinis. I cooked some Fava for the first time in my life. Enough to know that I could cook them, eat them, and enjoy them.
