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Post by oxbowfarm on May 23, 2013 22:17:18 GMT -5
I think that possibly the most difficult thing about doing a kale/broccoli cross or a kohlrabi/broc cross is finagling them to flower at the same time.
You probably want to use reverse plant psychology and try and prevent them from flowering at the same time, then they'll do it.
Plant psychology, phytopsychosocioecologeconomicology.
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Post by raymondo on May 24, 2013 1:07:21 GMT -5
... Raymond, that sounds like an interesting mix. What was your goal in mixing and what have you achieved? The original aim was to get a red, glossy collard - I let Green Glaze and an unknown red cabbage go to seed at the same time. There was also broccoli in the garden which went to seed as well so I'm sure some of its pollen got into the intended cross. I was so taken by the red-stemmed collards, whether glossy or not, that I decided to focus on those. Each year since there has been something else in the garden which I have allowed to go to seed at the same time as the red-stemmed collards - Black Tuscan kale, Savoy King cabbage etc. - so these have also contributed their genes. However, my principal aim remains a red collard or kale, both glossy and not. BTW, Pentland Brig has what I consider a mild flavour, compared to the other kales or collards I've tried. It's also quite attractive. |
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Post by steev on May 24, 2013 23:14:51 GMT -5
I like Pentland Brig, but Russian Hunger Gap is my staple, so far. I intend to increase and broaden my Brassicas, this Fall.
I think economics is of little use in dealing with Brassicas, as they seem determined to piss away whatever resources are available to them, although collards show some grasp of the stalk market.
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Post by cesarz on Jun 17, 2013 8:31:47 GMT -5
Cesar, I think I tried growing sprouting broccoli once, but not a single one survived the winter. I'll try them again, but I would need a particularly hardy one in my climate. PM me you address and I'll send you my purple sprouting broccoli which is quite hardy and grows up to 2 meters high. the non hardy ones are much shorter (less than a meter high). A bonus will be some ready made hybrid with Frilly Kale (from Adaptive Seeds Extremist Agreements) which flowered when the broccoli was finishing. |
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Post by cesarz on Aug 5, 2014 23:34:45 GMT -5
Hi Ferdzy, Hope that some of those seeds I sent you turn out to be hybrid Purple Sprouting Broccoli x Kale that you were after. I have this one turn up out of 50 seeds of Purple Sprouting Broccoli from the same seed lot I sent you. Normally the Purple Sprouting Broccoli parent plant is about 5 ft tall and leaves are round. This one is only three ft tall and leaves halfway between the the Purple Sprouting Broccoli and the Russian Kale (Extremist Agreements frilled selection) that was flowering nearby when the Purple Sprouting Broccoli was also in flower. Purple Sprouting Broccoli x Extremist Frills:  Cheers, Cesar Z |
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Post by ferdzy on Aug 6, 2014 6:02:22 GMT -5
Hi Cesar;
Not sure how things are doing. They are in the garden now, but they are just little bunches of leaves. We had family disasters here all spring and all the brassicas went in very late and a bit higglety-pigglety. As usual, they also don't love our garden soil and the cabbage loopers are at them. Still, I have hopes that something will happen by fall. I presume though, that purple sprouting broccoli shouldn't have broccoli florets until next spring (May here)? Although if it is the hybrid maybe it will have them this fall.
I didn't have any brassicas overwinter last year because the mice ate the roots. On the plus side, they left all our tree bark alone, and just stuck to the brassicas and chard roots we left in the garden, but that will certainly put a dent in any spring broccoli and seed-saving plans if they keep doing that.
It's great that you have a hybrid, though! That is one sturdy looking and attractive plant! I will watch with interest to see what develops here, and thanks again for sending me the seed. Have you tasted it yet?
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Post by raymondo on Aug 6, 2014 6:10:43 GMT -5
...This one is only three ft tall and leaves halfway between the the Purple Sprouting Broccoli and the Russian Kale that was flowering nearby when the Purple Sprouting Broccoli was also in flower. So, cesarz, this is a B. oleracea/B. napus cross? |
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Post by cesarz on Aug 7, 2014 2:15:07 GMT -5
Hi Ray, Yes it is a B. oleracea/B. napus cross. I have about 5 different B. oleracea/B. napus crosses turned up, one was using Green Glaze Kale from you (oleracea), another is using Redbor Kale (oleracea) and the other one is the Tuscan Kale (oleracea). They all flowered next to my Frilly selection of Extremist Agreements (napus) Kale all of them at different times. The oleraceas never flowered at the same time. Another one of Purple Sprouting Broccoli x Extremist Frills:  Ferdzy, I tried one of the florets raw, it tastes great! Not bitter and a little bit sweet. |
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Post by robertb on Aug 7, 2014 13:16:06 GMT -5
Has anyone tried crossing broccoli with perennial kale? I'll be tempted if I ever get the chance.
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Post by 12540dumont on Aug 7, 2014 14:29:36 GMT -5
Cesarz that's a beauty!
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Post by steev on Aug 7, 2014 18:58:12 GMT -5
Brokkaley sounds like a good idea. I value kale "broccoli" very highly, as it really is very sweet.
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Post by flowerweaver on Aug 7, 2014 22:22:37 GMT -5
Unique!
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Post by trixtrax on Aug 8, 2014 0:58:25 GMT -5
cesarz Nice purple broc head robertb Lieven has done work on this as has stevil Purple Peacock since it is a cross of B oleracea and B napus could likely be used as a bridge with greater chance of OP pollination between both B. napus and B oleracea broccoli types. B napus tends to self-pollinate, though. I think a good selection of Umpqua (there are crappy strains out and about) which would be a good broccoli candidate since it has large heads for a OP and has huge side-shoot production. oxbowfarm is right, the big chore would be lining up pollinations between the two especially if you were starting with a kale (biennial) and crossing to a annual broc. The kale could be cut back in the spring to slow down flowering to hopefully catch up to successions of broc say every two weeks so you have a good spread. A nice kale candidate might be Red Cavalier (B oleracea) which has nice flower production and is purple leafed.
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Post by cesarz on Aug 15, 2014 7:44:05 GMT -5
Has anyone tried crossing broccoli with perennial kale? I'll be tempted if I ever get the chance. Hi robertb, My Daubenton is about to flower and I would try it although the only broccoli also about to flower is my giant purple sprouting broccoli. Would you be interested in seeds of that cross? Cesarz BTW I found a De Cicco broccoli with lots of flower buds in the Community Garden that they will let go to flower. |
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Post by robertb on Aug 18, 2014 11:42:06 GMT -5
Yes, if you get any!
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