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Post by nicollas on Jan 4, 2018 9:58:32 GMT -5
Project is going very slowly, for now i'm having trouble growing the polystachios, and found half of my germplasm is in fact hog peanut ...
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Post by reed on Jan 4, 2018 10:30:24 GMT -5
I collected a lot of seed in 2016, I guess I forgot about it and didn't plant any in 2017 but no problem. It really is perennial in my garden and I had several plants grow back plus a lot of volunteers. I didn't even collect seed in 2017 with plenty still in back up. I'm just gonna let it do it's thing on the fence and each year plant other beans nearby. Eventually, some day, maybe, probably not but who knows, the bees will do their thing and something new will pop up. *pods shatter very easily so gotta be careful collecting seeds
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Post by walt on Jan 4, 2018 16:02:11 GMT -5
Found that : I wonder if that means that some amphidiploids were spontaneous and not induced ? It sounds like it, but it doesn't clearly state so. Just that somehow some amphiploids were produced. But what just caught my eye is "Segregation arising from allosyndetic pairing has been observed in progeny of these amphidiploids". Allosyndetic pairing means that chromosomes from one species were sometimes pairing with chromosomes from the other species. Autosyndetic pairing is when the chromosomes on one plant only pair with themselves. This means there will be some recessive traits showing up. Like non-dormant seeds? Or non-shattering pods? I have read that post several times. I never correctly read it until now. Rather I was reading what I expected it to say. This makes a huge difference in what to expect from this plant. |
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Post by andyb on Jan 6, 2018 0:14:57 GMT -5
walt Thanks for pointing that out. I missed it as well when I was reading through this thread. I've idly thought about chromosome-doubling some BC1s to force the issue. To take it a step further, I'd be really curious what would result from crossing a symmetric pair of amphidiploids from backcrosses to both of the original parents. Chaos! I don't use Facebook but would be interested in chatting with the permaculture folks working with the runner/polystachios amphidiploid. Any chance you could write me a letter of introduction? nicollas Sorry to hear you're having trouble growing the P. polystachios. What issues are you running into? I put a couple of my seeds into a germination-test setup at ~70F over a week ago, with no other treatment, and there's no sign of germination. I guess I'll try cold stratification next.
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Post by reed on Jan 6, 2018 15:56:36 GMT -5
I put a couple of my seeds into a germination-test setup at ~70F over a week ago, with no other treatment, and there's no sign of germination. I guess I'll try cold stratification next. When I first grew them I started in plastic cups in the cold frame and some straight in the ground. They were a little slow, compared say, to the tomatoes, but most all sprouted. The direct seeded came up later but caught up and passed the cold frame ones. Didn't really pay attention to when this year's volunteers sprouted, when I got to weeding that area they were the most dominant plant there. |
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Post by red on May 29, 2019 22:28:13 GMT -5
I’d love to get my hands on some of the phaseolus polystachios. If anyone has some I’d be very interested in your price. Email me atnlogwc@mail.missouri.edu .
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Post by imgrimmer on Jun 3, 2019 12:45:39 GMT -5
me too. I found no source via internet.
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Post by reed on Jun 3, 2019 17:37:52 GMT -5
I'm sure I have a pretty good supply but have not been able to find them. I'll keep looking and also expect to harvest more this fall, if you still haven't located any remind me then.
Actually I think I know of a wild patch. It grows along a stream by a lake where I like to fish but it is two hour drive and only get over there a few times a year and have never been there at the right time to get seeds. I say I think I know cause there are other vines that look similar, I need to see the actual flowers, pods and seeds to know for sure. I considered trying to transplant some but there are not a whole lot of them and didn't want to risk it.
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Post by walt on Aug 23, 2019 15:06:30 GMT -5
Oikostreecrops has seed. I got some from him last spring, but didn't get them planted. One of my brothers was dieing of cancer and my whole garden, except citrus, was put on hold. I can garden next year. If Ken doesn't send seeds to Europe, I can relay some to you. oikostreecrops.com/products/?route=product/category&path=107_113 |
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Post by reed on Aug 24, 2019 3:57:42 GMT -5
My established patch of wild beans has not bloomed yet this year. They are normally late but seems abnormally so this year. I wish they would hurry up, I think I've discovered another large patch growing wild. Brought some leaves home and they match exactly, still I have to, at very least compare flowers to know for sure. This is a very large patch, running probably 200 yards along the side of a little gravel road in the state's hunting land near me. If it turns out they are in fact wild beans I may be able to collect lots of seed.
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Post by reed on Sept 16, 2019 8:46:35 GMT -5
It's confirmed, that big patch along the road is indeed wild beans. Bad news is they are not producing pods any better than mine are this year. I did find and tag some still green pods, enough to probably to add them into mine next year. That will be good as mine are from a trade and originated from North Carolina, I think. More good news though is now that I'm more confident about identifying them I'm sure the patch over by the lake where I like to fish, about 80 miles away, is also them so maybe I can find some more seed over there.
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Post by khoomeizhi on Sept 17, 2019 4:11:40 GMT -5
depending on how much sun they get, they're either in bloom or just setting pods here. still thin and green.
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Post by reed on Nov 4, 2019 6:28:02 GMT -5
I went and hiked along the road with the wild patch yesterday and collected up about 100 nice seeds. There were actually way more of them than I originally thought but most had already shattered. Sill I have plenty to work with next year. They are lighter color and a little bigger than the NC strain. My established patch of the NC strain did not produce any this year. The vines froze down a couple nights ago.
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