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Post by kyredneck on Oct 15, 2014 4:09:41 GMT -5
"Strings like baling twine" are a good thing, much preferred over fine or slightly stringy because when snapping the beans with heavy strings you KNOW when you've removed the strings.
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Post by reed on Oct 18, 2014 19:59:36 GMT -5
So, Cherokee TT is like a black seeded Blue Lake? If so it's news to me, we don't care a lot for Blue Lake either, if you like greasys you should like Cherokee TT. Remind me next spring if you want some Ideal Market. The ones that were still on the vines that I thought I might send you were no good, but I have a pint sealed up for next year. Lot like Cherokee TT but less strings. I have black seeded Blue Lake I'm gonna try next year too and Fortex and Emerite, all new to me. |
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Post by kyredneck on Oct 19, 2014 22:20:28 GMT -5
Cool, thanks reed, I've several beans I want to trial next year, but some will just have to wait till the following year because...well, you know why.  Around four years ago I became a bona fide chile head, then I was a tomato connoisseur, now there is some sort of beanamania that has stricken me, I want to grow and try out so many of them. I've been carrying on some email correspondence with Frank Barnett, a professional 'connoisseur' of Kentucky heirloom beans of great renown in this area, and his 10'-15' tall bean towers made from 5' wide remesh are beginning to make more and more sense to me when it comes to trialing and growing out several varieties with limited space, if for no other reason the very small 'footprint' in the earth that they require. I've yet to grow Emerite, this was my second year with Fortex and I suspect I will always grow those for quick kitchen stir fry beans. They're so easy and quick to prepare; and they're good raw; and they ferment wonderfully too. |
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Post by reed on Oct 20, 2014 5:41:51 GMT -5
Yea, I'm actually getting kind of tired of trialing new ones and ready to get more into the landrace thing. Truth is I like beans... some better that others but can't think of one I wouldn't eat if it was the only one I had. I might stop growing Kentucky Wonder cause they are the only ones that had any kind of disease or bugs.
The Ideal Markets have a lot of promise. Found an old open pack in my box this spring and planted maybe 20 seeds. We canned a few pints, ate fresh several times and have a pint of good seed. The only new ones I'm really looking forward too is your Goose Beans.
Ferment beans? Never heard of that, you mean to make some kind of booze?
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Post by kyredneck on Oct 20, 2014 7:53:27 GMT -5
Did you already get some of my Goose beans at the swap? I have plenty, it's old seed but germination was excellent this year, I actually was surprised by that. Ideal Market sounds like an excellent bean. You favor the black seeded types don't you? It seems brown speckled types appeals to my taste more than others. No, not alcohol (yeast) fermentation, lacto (bacilli) fermentation, i.e. pickled 'dilly' beans like pickled deli cukes:   realfoodoutlaws.com/lacto-fermented-dilly-green-beans/ |
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Post by reed on Oct 20, 2014 20:52:32 GMT -5
I think if I had top pick I like the brown and brown speckled better too. I have just been trying lots of new ones in recent years. Yep, got tow packs of you goose beans and looking forward to them.
I might have to try this fermenting thing.
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Post by 12540dumont on Oct 20, 2014 21:25:12 GMT -5
Kyredneck, we's coming over to your house to get a pickle fix. Bugs were so bad this year, I made not even one jar of pickles. Your wife is awesome. What kind of cukes did you use?
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Post by kyredneck on Oct 21, 2014 6:39:28 GMT -5
I think if I had top pick I like the brown and brown speckled better too. I have just been trying lots of new ones in recent years. Yep, got tow packs of you goose beans and looking forward to them. I might have to try this fermenting thing.
If for some reason you don’t get good germination let me know; I’m saving some few Goose seeds this year albeit there IS a potential for them to be crossed with either Missouri Wonder or Fortex.
If you’ve ever made sauerkraut you have ‘lacto fermented’.
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Post by kyredneck on Oct 21, 2014 6:41:36 GMT -5
Kyredneck, we's coming over to your house to get a pickle fix. Bugs were so bad this year, I made not even one jar of pickles. Your wife is awesome. What kind of cukes did you use?
Lol, yes, my wife is awesome, the kind of individual you don’t forget, BUT, we’ve had a total role reversal, she and I. Thirty years ago I left every day to fight injuns and keep the wolves away while she stayed home, tended the young’uns & garden and kept house. Now she leaves every day for work while I tend to the homestead. IOW, I’m the ‘pickle maker’ around here now.
From 2013 - the three jars on the left are salad/pickling cukes from either Walmart or Meyers, the last jar is Burpee Picklebush from my garden. This year I grew ‘Homemade Pickles’ which performed much better for me both in the garden and the jar. I’m considering/researching a Ukrainian pickler for next year.
If your bugs are cucumber beetles carrying bacterial wilt then you’ve the same problem we do here. Delayed planting is the only thing I’ve found that works against them, but that won’t work if your neighbors don’t delay their’s also.
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Post by jondear on Jun 6, 2015 17:52:00 GMT -5
I've been avoiding putting up my bean trellis net all spring, but this morning I got to it. Planted 20 feet of the f2 Fortex-Northeaster cross. My net is 30 feet long but with all the friggin' corn I planted this year, something had to give. I rolled up the extra 10 feet and tied it to the pole. I'm not sure how many seeds went in, but the net has 7"x7" squares and I put 3 seeds per vertical string, as I usually do. I only got a little hell for not planting the usual Fortex and Northeaster beans |
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Post by reed on Jun 9, 2015 9:41:43 GMT -5
I got 4, 40 foot rows divided into 10 foot plantings this year and 4 more five foot trial sections in a separate spot. And about 200 feet more planted sparsely in the corn. One kind mostly croaked from some kind of rot disease as seedlings. I figured at first it was Fortex but got out my notes and it turned out to be the Kwintus. Bummer but the ones that made it are doing well. Also three plants of a solid red bean that showed up in my Rattlesnakes last fall. 30 feet of one row is Ideal Market cause that is what the woman wants to can this year.
One kind is Cherokee Greasy mix I got at the swap last year. It has some light brown and some dark brown and some larger tan with dark speckles. I planted them all but separated them in the trials, the rest of them are in the corn. Really like the looks of those larger speckled ones, a bigger seeded greasy would be a find, I think.
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Post by jondear on Aug 4, 2015 19:52:09 GMT -5
My f2 beans, as expected, are showing a fair amount of diversity. Round, flat, short, long and everything in between....
I have a favorite as of now. It is long like fortex, but somewhat wider. I hope to be able to post some pictures, and comment on flavor soon.
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Post by DarJones on Aug 6, 2015 5:05:56 GMT -5
To make it in today's market, a pole bean needs to be at least 9 inches long, round, nearly straight, sweet, bean flavored, and highly productive. Emerite doesn't quite meet the "9 inches long" standard but more than makes up for it with the rest of the traits. Wish you luck with the bean selections.
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Post by reed on Aug 6, 2015 11:39:02 GMT -5
My Emerite trial this year was a total flop, they just didn't grow and the few that did didn't produce. Fortex was a whole other story, gobs and gobs of yummy beans from them and looks like a nice seed crop too.
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Post by templeton on Aug 11, 2015 7:14:50 GMT -5
Fortex is on my list to try again this summer. I got a spoonful of seed from Raymondo, had a bad year, got less seeds than i planted - they were in a little neglected growout bed. Replanted Ray's last few seeds, and got one plant to mature in a big pot, and have saved the seeds. I must do a rescue crop this year. I loved the length of the beans, but didnt get enough to eat. Where would Fortex sit in the days to maturity compared say to Blue Lake or Rattlesnake? (I would like to grow some beans to eat, as well as to save the Fortex, which should probably all go to seed. Thinking of using time to separate the varieties to prevent crossing. Yes, I will probably cross some up one year, but would like to keep them 'pure' atm.
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Around four years ago I became a bona fide chile head, then I was a tomato connoisseur, now there is some sort of beanamania that has stricken me, I want to grow and try out so many of them. 
