Peas 2018

[keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.)]

Starting a list of planned plantings this year. I'm starting with peas. May come back and do a post for beans. I had a major bean failure with the beans i like the most in 2017, so that stunk. Feel free to jump in with your lists as well.

So here is my tentative pea growing list. Space is of concern so i figured i can reasonably plant 10-12 varieties. But looks like i'm pushing that to 14. The rest will not be grown unless i have room. They are more or less in preferential order by priority. Since i do not have many varieties with highly wrinkled seeds, and since highly wrinkled seeds corelate to one form of sugar genes i have separated out only the most highly wrinkled for three populations.

One is from the unknowns that got all mixed up when sorting last fall. These could be anything really, but probably have some Opal Creek and some snap peas as those have generally had the most white and wrinkled seeds. Then i separated out the population i have been calling "Joseph's yellows" into basically highly wrinkled seeds, snap shaped seeds (bullet shaped and flat seeds), and the rest. I am planning on only planting the highly wrinkled seeds and am hoping for some really good yellow snow peas. Good Yellow snap peas would be fine as well and any yellow snap peas from this population are bound to be better than Opal Creek. Then i also did the same with the "purples", a population that is mostly Sugar Magnolia, some purple-pod parsley, some residual Midnight Snow (bred by Dan Quickert of Purplepeas.net), and some potential mixed in red-podded peas or partially-red podded peas from mis-identification. These had very few snap shaped seeds so i only really separated into most-wrinkled seeds and others. I'm actually hoping some of these are Midnight Snow. I'm also hoping to recover only hyper-tendrilled plants for those that are Sugar Magnolia as my original population had all types. But regardless i figure the most wrinkled seeded ones might taste the best. So seems like a good idea. Trying to grow so many pea varieties with limited space is tough, so just have to prioritize this year. Last year was a good year for seed multiplication.

Nap Gene (potential open keel trait)*
Wrinkled Seeds (selected from unknowns)*
Biskopen's Hybrids*
Purple Passion hybrid*
Joseph's Red-Podded*
Josdeph's Yellow-Podded (most wrinkled seeds)*
Purples (most wrinkled seeds)*
Joni's Taxi*
Jupiter*
Heavily-Branched*
Orange-Pod*
Mighty Midget*
Large Podded*
True Mummy's (including a purple-pod crown pea, and a red-seed crown pea)*


Delta Dusk
Heather
unknown mottled (maple seed coat)
orange coteleydons
Pink Flowered Yellow Snow (golden sweet? from ethin)
Triple Treat
Dwarf Gray Sugar
Biskopen's
purple passion

[keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.)]

So i planted most of my peas today direct seeded. Just planted, did not water.

If weather is good i will finish planting them tomorrow. Looks like i might be able to squeeze in a few more depending.

I still need to plant the Nap Gene (potential open keel trait)* one. And i might be able to plant both Templeton's Delta Dusk and Heather maybe. I might also try to squeeze in those orc gene peas (orange cotyledons) that may have higher beta carotene. And that's basically it. Room for two more for sure, room for 4-5 more max.

I planted these ones today shortest to tallest:
Super Dwarf:
Mighty Midget
Orange-pod
Short-ish:
"Joseph's" Red Snap (last year my earliest variety other than super dwarfs) (perhaps it is time to rename this as it's not really Joseph's. only descended from his original work and highly selected by me for good red color. But i'm lazy so that is still my current unofficial name).

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Medium:
Large Podded
Wrinkled Seeds (selected from unknowns)
Purple Passion hybrid*
"Joseph's" Yellow-Podded (most wrinkled seeds)(perhaps it is time to rename this as it's not really Joseph's. only descended from his original work. But I'm lazy so that is still my current unofficial name).
Jupiter
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TALL:
Joni's Taxi
Purples (most wrinkled seeds)
True Mummys
Biskopens Hybrids
Heavily-Branched

[keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.)]

K. I planted Nap gene, Canoe, Heather, and Delta Dusk. That's it.

[keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.)]

K starting to see peas sprouting out of the soil. Expect to have most of them up around April 1st give or take. Which is what i was expecting. Always takes 3 weeks for direct seeded peas to germinate and grow here.

It's snowing now btw. But Looks to be melting just as fast.

[keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.)]

100_0075 by Andrew Barney, on Flickrkr

100_0076 by Andrew Barney, on Flickr

100_0077 by Andrew Barney, on Flickr

[mskrieger]

Your peas are beautiful, keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.). I had a terrible year for them, it was too cold and dry all March and April and they have finally sprouted (well, like 7 or 8 of the 45 seeds planted) and the past two days it's been temperatures in the 80s. Sigh. I will look at your picture instead and smile vicariously.

[keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.)]

Mighty Midget is flowing today. Always the first to flower because it's a super dwarf. Flowering at 7-10 inches.

20180510_165442 by Andrew Barney, on Flickr

Also testing a cheap macro lens on my phone camera.

20180510_165530 by Andrew Barney, on Flickr

20180510_165541 by Andrew Barney, on Flickr

[galina]

Very interesting to see your peas Keen101. Why are you interested in the nap gene? Ah red ones - well apart from shelling peas, good red has so far eluded me. As soon as I have a mangetout or snap pea cross, the red is blotchy from the Shiraz line anyway.

However this year the F2s of crosses with Sugar Magnolia are in the ground and with that comes another big lot of hope and anticipation.

Other peas I am following up are the crosses with the cr gene - crimson flowers. My pea gardening friend Silverleaf made a cross with Telephone and my other friend Jayb made a cross with Mrs Lei. I am following up both and have made my own crosses too. That flower colour is just so pretty and anybody who wants to or needs to grow peas in the front garden or just likes pretty flowering vegetables, will hopefully cherish these. I was lucky to get seeds of a blueish flowering pea and made several crosses last year. And several more flower colour projects are also in the pipeline for the next few years.

[keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.)]

May 16, 2018 9:29:12 GMT -5 galina said:

Very interesting to see your peas Keen101. Why are you interested in the nap gene? Ah red ones - well apart from shelling peas, good red has so far eluded me. As soon as I have a mangetout or snap pea cross, the red is blotchy from the Shiraz line anyway.

However this year the F2s of crosses with Sugar Magnolia are in the ground and with that comes another big lot of hope and anticipation.

Other peas I am following up are the crosses with the cr gene - crimson flowers. My pea gardening friend Silverleaf made a cross with Telephone and my other friend Jayb made a cross with Mrs Lei. I am following up both and have made my own crosses too. That flower colour is just so pretty and anybody who wants to or needs to grow peas in the front garden or just likes pretty flowering vegetables, will hopefully cherish these. I was lucky to get seeds of a blueish flowering pea and made several crosses last year. And several more flower colour projects are also in the pipeline for the next few years.

Nice galina! Those crimson flowers sure are interesting. Would love to trade with you later this fall. Day had some crimson peas earlier this year.

The nap gene I'm evaluating for potential for an outcrossing pea and true landrace peas.

[keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.)]

Nap gene peas second to flower. Flowering today. Will go back and record avg. Height. It's raining now.

But good news, they do indeed have open keels to facilitate easy bee crossing. It's not as dramatic as I expected, but the seam where the keel is closed is not bound together, so any bee that got in there would have a dramatically easier time.

So woo hoo to those who are interested in true outcrossing peas, we may be well on our way. I have a different mutation and/or variety that I intend to test next year that may also have more open flowers. I believe both traits are recessive though if both indeed will work. I didn't have room and also got the seeds late.

ethin, are your nap gene peas flowering as well?

[ethin]

Nah, not yet, still a few weeks to go.

Guess I'll report on how the peas you gave me are doing.

"Heavily Branched" had very poor germination on the first planting done on the 1st of April the second planting I did 2 or 3 weeks ago did much better.
"Purple Passion" so far is the largest and healthiest looking of every thing you sent me, there is one plant that has parsley leaves.
"J1134"Nap"" and "J11255" both had good germination.

[keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.)]

ethin, thanks for the grow report. Someone else trialling "heavily-branched" shmack1 said they also had poor results with them, that most died in the heat. Interesting, heavily-branched also had not been growing the best for me either, though I think it is catching up now. But that is why we do trials. I've noticed mine clearly have pink axil rings which shows that they will again have pink flowers. Haven't noticed heavy branching yet, but the season is still young.

Red-snap is getting close to flowering, but not yet, maybe another week?

Interestingly, though orange-pod seems to be an extra dwarf like mighty midget, it is no where close to flowering, while mighty midget is in full bloom and some have pods now.

templeton peas are interesting. Im expecting good things from Joni's taxi based on how the plants look. Nice yellow tendrils. Delta Dusk and Heather sure have a height difference. Jupiter is really short and so is Delta Dusk if I labeled them right.

Really? You have a purple passion that has parsley leaves? That's weird. I can't possibly imagine how that would happen... quite the mystery... also really?? The largest and best leaves??? It was always small, thin and spindly for me.. these are the ones with small purple seeds??

Weird... well you never know...

.. i have been known to be very lazy with labeling my attempted pea crosses...

[templeton]

looking forward to the reports, Andrew. Buried in my PhD at the moment, so no autumn peas growing here. A season off is probably good - a chance to decrease disease load in the soil, and the added perspective of a few months without thinking about pea breeding might add some clarity to my breeding projects rather than the enthusiasm of a Labrador puppy that has characterised my previous seasons. And give me a chance to pump out a few research papers.

[Joseph Lofthouse]

May 18, 2018 16:56:56 GMT -5 keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) said:

So woo hoo to those who are interested in true outcrossing peas, we may be well on our way.

I have been having trade-secret discussions with a well connected plant breeder. It's looking like promiscuous peas will be commercially available in a few years.

[keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.)]

May 19, 2018 19:40:13 GMT -5 templeton said:

looking forward to the reports, Andrew. Buried in my PhD at the moment, so no autumn peas growing here. A season off is probably good - a chance to decrease disease load in the soil, and the added perspective of a few months without thinking about pea breeding might add some clarity to my breeding projects rather than the enthusiasm of a Labrador puppy that has characterised my previous seasons. And give me a chance to pump out a few research papers.

Yeah, I'll let you know how they do. Sounds like you needed a break. A paper or two of yours would be interesting to read.