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Post by grungy on Jul 27, 2009 10:43:37 GMT -5
Sorry, Bunkie, I don't know as I had only received the 3 types I sent you. Please check with Tim, as this is his baby.
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Post by canadamike on Jul 27, 2009 13:59:10 GMT -5
Bunkie, these are the only 3''types'' we got. The project was kind of vague at the beginning, not knowing the participation. In fact, you have more than 6, as Tim created pools. You do not have 3 types, you have 3 pools, many types. I think the number 6 was a guestimate by Tim, not more than that.
Some seeds had to be increased to a manageable volume, that is what I understood from Tim
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Post by bunkie on Jul 28, 2009 11:03:01 GMT -5
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Post by silverseeds on Jul 28, 2009 17:10:51 GMT -5
So do these grains die off each year then, and grow out of the rootstock for the next year? when you were talking perennial grains I figured it stayed green like grass. I find this VERY interesting. The kind of work that this world needs.
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Post by bunkie on Jul 29, 2009 8:40:42 GMT -5
So do these grains die off each year then, and grow out of the rootstock for the next year? when you were talking perennial grains I figured it stayed green like grass................ silverseeds, there's another thread around here somewhere on perennial grains where i posted a lot of info and pics. for some reason the search isn't working for me or i'd post a link. anyway, last year i planted this perennial rye and a perennial wheat (Ezeer) that i started in cells into the ground in April. apparently it is suppose to be planted in July or August. the wheat was very productive, but the rye, even tho producing heads, had no viable seed. this year, out of 75 plus perennial wheat plants, only 4 or 5 came up and are weird looking...pics on thread in garden banter. out ot 75 perennial rye plants, just about all came back this year. they have now produced a lot of seed which i am gathering, and, i have noticed that green grasslike sprouts are coming up from the bottom of the dead stalks. tim told me that this is what's supposed to happen. i guess they revive themselves after production, readying for the winter months. will try and take pics later. |
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Post by PatrickW on Jul 29, 2009 10:17:34 GMT -5
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Post by silverseeds on Jul 29, 2009 10:48:04 GMT -5
thanks both of you. This project is amazing, I hope it pans out. offering actual answers rather then patentable genes apparently is forced to be a personal goal rather then something any industry leaders or government will ever do. I will check out the link for sure.
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Post by plantsnobin on Jul 29, 2009 10:57:26 GMT -5
Has anyone ever tried eating Chasmanthium latifolium? It grows very well for me and I am trying to find more info on its edibilty/palatability. Native American Ethnobotany database says it was used, but was wondering if anyone has actually tasted it.
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Post by canadamike on Jul 29, 2009 22:12:01 GMT -5
Kaaren my dear friend, please move this thing to a new thread, as I think it deserves consideration and anyway is far from rye or wheat. I knew that you were more than a flower girl  Love, Michel |
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Post by bunkie on Jul 30, 2009 8:56:49 GMT -5
heads up on a problem with growing the perennial ryes and wheats...in harvesting the rye last night i discovered these loverly grains... www.imageuploads.net/ims/pic.php?u=27615PDlUo&i=172272 i thought we had developed a 'super' seed and onto something really good, but, alas, in my heart of hearts, i knew that it was probably a smut or something of the sort. anyway, i wrote tim peterson, and he had the following to say... Those are Ergot fungi infected 'seed' ...it usually occurs when there is poor pollenation of the head esp during moist weather.... Do not use, pick out all such 'seed' as they can poison you ...LSD was one extract ... For seed production use only those plants that do not show such infection... do an Ergot search for more info This disease caused much of the madness and lunicy that plagued the poor during the dark ages... and is one of my breeding pressures is to select for resistance to this occasional problem Tim
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Post by PatrickW on Aug 1, 2009 1:45:11 GMT -5
For those of you doing perennial grains, Tim sent me this and I think he intended I pass it on to all of you:   Tim also mentioned in the same email he also took some pictures of various annual and perennial tomatillo, ground cherry, and garden huck [huckleberry?] lines. He said these pictures didn't turn out, but I think the suggestion is he has some of these seeds he could send to other interested people. |
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Post by silverseeds on Aug 1, 2009 2:16:43 GMT -5
Id love to get some perennial tomatillos, and such I was already planning on trying to do something similar, might as well skip some steps if I could.
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Post by PatrickW on Aug 1, 2009 2:46:15 GMT -5
silverseeds: Tim's email address is atimberline@yahoo.com and I don't honestly know for sure what his intentions are, so you should contact him directly if you are interested.
I'm under the impression that Tim intends to run his trials a little differently from how the rest of this discussion board is run. Most other people here, me included, are willing to just send their seeds to anyone and everyone, often for free.
Tim on the other hand is a well known plant breeder, and while he's a generous person, he seems to be more trying to organize a group of friends who will help him trial specific varieties he needs help with (like the per rye we are working on), help financially by paying a support fee, and giving him feedback on how his plants grow. He wants very much to have a personal relationship and direct contact with people who grow his plants. In particular, I don't think Tim is interested in just sending free seeds out to people or collecting $5 at a time for random samples, because he's not a seed company and not really a hobby gardener.
I think there's more space in the per rye trials if you want to join, You should contact Val (grungy) if you're interested in this. I also think in the coming months or years other people will offer some of Tim's seeds here, and you might get some from them. If Tim has something in particular you're really, really interested in, you might also contact him and tell him this and see if something might be worked out, but I suggest saving this for 'special favors'.
Anyway, I want to be clear, this is all just my opinion, and you're free to do what you want. Tim is the boss here, so if you send him an email and ask for seeds, in the end it's between the two of you.
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Post by silverseeds on Aug 1, 2009 3:08:07 GMT -5
Thanks for the info, in a month or two, I will likely contact him. I actually have been following this thread, and talked a little to michel about it, I think its a great project. The tomatillos and ground cherries especially. Im glad you brought them up.
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Post by mnjrutherford on Aug 1, 2009 7:31:24 GMT -5
I got the email as well. Beautiful stuff huh? Sorghum is on a "to do" list for us. No room at the moment, but a few years down the road, we plan to eliminate sugar and replace it with honey and sorghum.
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