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Post by MikeH on Jan 1, 2012 4:49:52 GMT -5
yep i'm looking for dwarf semydwarf apple seeds, i'm looking for a spray free apple but at today nothing to harvest.... Hmmm, that may be a bit difficult. Most people won't let their dwarf/semi-dwarf apples develop into fruiting trees since they have them for grafting purposes. Perhaps East Malling Research might have seeds from its dwarf & semi-dwarf rootstocks. You might also be able to get seeds from the Geneva series from Cornell University. Alternatively, if you're willing to wait 3-5 years, I could plant some of the dwarf apple rootstock I have and let it mature and fruit. anything that tends to sucker should be a good possible candidate. Yep, I'm hoping to get more male and female seabuckthorns this year by stooling. I wonder if trees that are coppicable might also be candidates for stooling. There's a red maple just down the road from us that our municipality brushes coppices every couple of years. The regrowth the next year is spectacular, almost tropical. I'd love to have more red maples without incurring nursery costs. If I want to propagate the rootstock of my dwarf apple, should I wait until it's dormant before cutting off the scion? Based on the drawing upthread - see step 2, I'd say yes. You might also be able to keep your dwarf apple by grafting scion wood from it on to any apple tree that you have. If the tree is a dwarf variety, you could leave it there and you will have two different varieties on the same tree. If you don't want that, you could simply park it there until you have more rootstock and then graft it back onto its own rootstock and cut off the remaining parked wood. This year when I take scion wood from what I think may be fantastic wild apple in our woods, not only will I graft into on to rootstock that I have but I'll also graft it on to surrounding wild apples. That way I get to practice my grafting without using up rootstock and I get to have multiple back ups of the original just in case something happens to that special apple. Regards, Mike |
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Post by castanea on Jan 1, 2012 11:44:28 GMT -5
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Post by richardw on Mar 2, 2012 15:06:18 GMT -5
Out of my 40 tree orchard ive only bought two fruit trees,the rest are either seed or sucker grown.The two bought ones are a red Gala and the other has two grafted onto the one rootstock,Braeburn and Cox's Orange Pippin,both the Braeburn and Gala are common supermarket apples here which i found both are hopeless grown under my organic system,the Braeburn is not even a nice apple i reckon anyway and have thought about cutting it off and letting the Cox's Orange Pippin take over. As for the rest there are two peaches,Black boy and a unknown white flesh both from seed,two apricots grown from seed off an old wild roadside tree which looks to be a Moorpark, there's also a heap of different plums all seed grown either from friends or roadside store bought. But the bulk of the orchard are either seed grown apples or from suckers. This tree came from my fathers compost heap,my mother used to bottle a lot of Granny Smith apples so i think its been crossed with (?),its got the typical spots of the Granny but has red skin,its sweeter than the true Granny   There's still many younger seed grown apple trees yet to grow there first fruit and there's two others that have very bitter fruit that i only pick for our house cow,at least she like them. In my part of New Zealand we have 100's of apple trees that grow on the side of the roads,these from apple cores thrown out car windows.So over the last few years me and the kids often stop to taste them looking for the better ones,we reckon that only 1 out of 20 are nice enough to bother with,these ones i either dig out as suckers but if there isn't any i'll layer a branch and cut off once it grows roots. This three trees are sucker grown from a tree thats fruit doesn't get any black spot or codling moth,its moderately sweet.   |
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Post by 12540dumont on Mar 2, 2012 15:40:48 GMT -5
I have tree envy. www.orangepippin.com/resources/general/own-rootsThis is a very interesting article on fruit trees on their own roots. These folks are selling own root fruit trees, but only in the UK. I talked to Richard and he said, we could try the method where you purchase a grafted tree, and plant it below the graft. Eventually the rootstock will die and the apple root. Richard at Wagon Wheel told me to try rooting scion wood, he recommended an article at the Irish Seed Savers Site. Richard said that some varieties will root if they fall in the grass, and some will never root. He didn't have time to root any for me this year, but I'm going to take a stab at it. www.irishseedsavers.ie/blog/2011/research/apples/self-rooting-apple-trees-by-dave-breslin-issa-staff/My hard drive crashed and I finally have my computer back....but now no time left to fool around! |
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Post by johno on Mar 2, 2012 15:43:27 GMT -5
Very cool, Richard! I just started experimenting with digging up apple suckers last year. I've got several seed-grown peaches. Can you describe the Black Boy peach?
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Post by MikeH on Mar 2, 2012 16:13:48 GMT -5
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wonder if it would grow here. Probably too cold. Maybe I could grow it in a pot, moving it indoors during winter and then graft onto Chui lum Tao rootstock which is very cold hardy. Richard, would it be possible to get some pits from you? Regards, Mike Attachments:
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Post by richardw on Mar 2, 2012 17:05:43 GMT -5
I have tree envy. www.orangepippin.com/resources/general/own-rootsThis is a very interesting article on fruit trees on their own roots. These folks are selling own root fruit trees, but only in the UK. I talked to Richard and he said, we could try the method where you purchase a grafted tree, and plant it below the graft. Eventually the rootstock will die and the apple root. Richard at Wagon Wheel told me to try rooting scion wood, he recommended an article at the Irish Seed Savers Site. Richard said that some varieties will root if they fall in the grass, and some will never root. He didn't have time to root any for me this year, but I'm going to take a stab at it. www.irishseedsavers.ie/blog/2011/research/apples/self-rooting-apple-trees-by-dave-breslin-issa-staff/My hard drive crashed and I finally have my computer back....but now no time left to fool around! Interesting link you posted Holly,can someone tell me what is the difference between a diploids and triploid in apple trees |
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Post by richardw on Mar 2, 2012 17:10:00 GMT -5
Very cool, Richard! I just started experimenting with digging up apple suckers last year. I've got several seed-grown peaches. Can you describe the Black Boy peach? The Black Boy peaches are one of the toughest most disease resistant peaches around,the purple shin and flesh are just lovely |
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Post by richardw on Mar 2, 2012 17:16:22 GMT -5
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wonder if it would grow here. Probably too cold. Maybe I could grow it in a pot, moving it indoors during winter and then graft onto Chui lum Tao rootstock which is very cold hardy. Richard, would it be possible to get some pits from you? Regards, Mike How cold do you get down to in winter Mike?? Unfortunately a spring frost knocked out my blossom this year plus its also a young tree so i don't have any pits i could send,though i dont know if any would be allowed in to your country for start,could you find out??also i'll keep an eye out for some from other people who i know have a Black boy tree. |
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Post by castanea on Mar 2, 2012 20:19:51 GMT -5
Does anyone outside of NZ grow the black boy peaches?
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Post by richardw on Mar 2, 2012 23:25:10 GMT -5
i wonder if its called something different else where maybe
went had a look and found this info about it
Also known as “Pêche de Vigne,” they originate from the Lyonnais region of France, where for centuries they were planted in vineyards to provide early warning of pests and diseases. While they can be found in New Zealand, they are rare in other parts of the world, including Australia, despite their magnificent colour, flavour, and usefulness – they are delicious fresh, cooked or preserved.
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Post by castanea on Mar 3, 2012 0:04:15 GMT -5
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Post by potter on Mar 3, 2012 1:29:43 GMT -5
Ok..most apples are diploids and are usually able to pollinate each other, but triploids produce very little viable pollen so they cannot be used as pollinator. Triploids will need two diployids for successful pollination. Then there is also tetraploids..  ..they tend to be self-fertile and produce much larger fruits than their parent...to do with the mutation having four copies of the genome. |
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Post by oxbowfarm on Mar 3, 2012 4:28:20 GMT -5
Lots of commercial varieties are triploids. Braeburn is one, also the English sour cooking apples like Bramley's and Golden Noble. I think Wolf River is a triploid also.
Aren't the southern Limbertwig apples famous for rooting from cuttings? Some southern apple...
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Post by MikeH on Mar 3, 2012 4:29:39 GMT -5
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..they tend to be self-fertile and produce much larger fruits than their parent...to do with the mutation having four copies of the genome.