LoreD
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Post by LoreD on Dec 19, 2007 10:16:26 GMT -5
LoveToGarden is also there. She is a big supporter of zman and was involved in the "flaming" of Brook. She's really nasty.
LoreD
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Post by jtcm05 on Dec 19, 2007 11:06:14 GMT -5
Didn't even realize SSE had a new forum. I wonder if this means they're actually embracing technology finally.
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Post by flowerpower on Dec 25, 2007 7:20:11 GMT -5
I think SSE just turned into TVille 2, as most of the mods are the same.  I may as well not post there at all. I don't need the aggravation. |
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Post by Alan on Dec 25, 2007 13:05:04 GMT -5
Yeah, I think that's a bit of B.S. myself, why in the hell are the mods of Tomatoville the mods of SSE? Good way to run off supporters if you ask me, not to mention the slant of heirlooms and OP being biased towards mostly tomatoes. I just don't see how this is going to work, and the fact that Z-man is over there posting sort of brings the credibility factor down as well.
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Post by flowerpower on Dec 26, 2007 6:34:40 GMT -5
I can see Carolyn being a mod. She has been involved with SSE for yrs.
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Post by PapaVic on Dec 26, 2007 9:35:33 GMT -5
FP, Thanks for the warning. I was going to join. Saw Tashak there last night and one other person. But if that ignorant p.r. is there, I'll pass. Who is Tashak, and is she/he using a different nick at SSE? Same question ... who is p.r.? |
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Post by PapaVic on Dec 26, 2007 9:38:27 GMT -5
I can see Carolyn being a mod. She has been involved with SSE for yrs. So has Craig LeHoullier (NCTomatoman) and Bill Malin (SpudleafWillie) ... both for about the same length of time as Carolyn Male (carolyn137). |
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Post by PapaVic on Dec 26, 2007 9:46:02 GMT -5
Yeah, I think that's a bit of B.S. myself, why in the hell are the mods of Tomatoville the mods of SSE? Good way to run off supporters if you ask me, not to mention the slant of heirlooms and OP being biased towards mostly tomatoes. I just don't see how this is going to work, and the fact that Z-man is over there posting sort of brings the credibility factor down as well. To discover how and why the moderators at Tomatoville became moderators at SSE Forum, one probably should ask the site administrator. I doubt the set-up and selection of moderators at the SSE Forum will run off any SSE supporters since the vast majority of SSE supporters are not even remotely interested in online forums. I don't see any particular slant toward tomatoes at the new SSE Forum boards. In fact the discussions seem to include only one topic regarding tomatoes at all. Hopefully the discussions will be broad based and cover the spectrum of topics reflecting the diversity of SSE. The fact that Zebraman is posting doesn't diminish the credibility of the SSE Forum at all. In fact, I think it only provides a good opportunity for him either to prove his own credibility or for more knowledgeable folks to disprove his cred., if that's the case. To see how it will all work, why not give it a chance. If the choice of moderators or the participation of any particular individual leads to problems ... let the administrator sort things out. If an individual participant runs into a problem regarding a moderator or another participant ... let the offended participant bring her or his complaint or comment to the administrator. Give peace a chance. |
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Post by bluelacedredhead on Dec 26, 2007 12:00:27 GMT -5
Papavic, TashaK is a longtime member of iDig and a regular poster there.
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Post by Alan on Dec 26, 2007 14:25:14 GMT -5
Bill, I'm not encouraging anyone not to post over there, if you have noticed, I have been posting there myself. However, what I am saying is that those same moderators and Z-man have had more than a chance to prove themselves all over the net and have yet to do so other than for their own "power trips" and ego manias. The problem that I have with this way of doing business is that as an SSE supporter and customer I don't want to have to deal with them being in any official role within the organization, even if it is only in regards to a message board.
What I was getting at about a "slant" towards tomatoes is that with moderators like that who's Modus Operandi is tomatoes I do not see the knowledge base to support discussions which fall outside of the Solanium family of plants in the administrative department, a grave mistake in my opinion.
These are just my opinions, no one elses and I'm not asking anyone to back um my opinions, I'm just saying that to me it looks like more than a little bit of an uncomftorable situation for a lot of folks with a lot to share.
-Alan
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Post by Mischka on Dec 27, 2007 14:05:51 GMT -5
Yeah, I think that's a bit of B.S. myself, why in the hell are the mods of Tomatoville the mods of SSE? Good way to run off supporters if you ask me, not to mention the slant of heirlooms and OP being biased towards mostly tomatoes. I just don't see how this is going to work, and the fact that Z-man is over there posting sort of brings the credibility factor down as well. We are there only to ensure that the forum is established and operated in a manner conducive to a friendly, non-confrontational environment. Some of us are also advising on the technical and security aspects as needed.  I am in complete agreement with you, Bill.  |
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Post by suze on Dec 27, 2007 20:47:10 GMT -5
We are there only to ensure that the forum is established and operated in a manner conducive to a friendly, non-confrontational environment. Some of us are also advising on the technical and security aspects as needed. Speaking for myself, I'm just trying to help out best I can. Nothing more to it than that. My involvement in terms of helping to mod may or may not be temporary, but I will play that by ear.  No one has any interest in turning that forum into a Tville clone. If I may, a general suggestion to folks would be "post what you want to read". Give peace a chance. I am in complete agreement with you, Bill. Same here. IMO, Bill is "good people", and even though we may not always agree on everything, I like him a whole lot and enjoy reading his posts. He has a lot to offer, both in terms of information and perspective. |
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Post by Alan on Dec 27, 2007 22:49:43 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to encourage people not to check out the SSE forums, on the contrary I'm hoping they do and that while there they will even open their minds up to new ideas that I stand behind like plant breeding, what I don't want to see happen is what happened between the two tomato (land, ville) sites and I think that there are a few folks that will be and are leary of that along with the pressence of Z-man who has done nothing everywhere else other than to cause trouble.
As far as giving peace a chance, I'm fine with that, as I recall I've tried to remain relatively neutral about all the different sites to the best of my ability with the exceptions to my objections to Idig and my objections to Carolyn Males selective comments about Alan Kapular and tomato information or on the occassion that people use our sight here for a personal, neutral, war grounds, so that's fine by me.
That's just the way I feel, I'm not trying to cause trouble but I'm also not willing to be part in any more forum wars unless it involves Jere and I in a one on one fight it which case I would gladly kick his scrawny ass.
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Post by bcday on Dec 28, 2007 14:32:29 GMT -5
The SSE forum is a place for Seed Savers members and customers to interact and ask questions related to Seed Savers as an organization, memberships, gardening, seed saving, and related topics. No special emphasis on tomatoes, although there are bound to be a lot of posts about them because tomatoes are such a popular crop for home gardeners and seed-savers. We are there only to ensure that the forum is established and operated in a manner conducive to a friendly, non-confrontational environment. What Mischka said. The forum is there to facilitate the exchange of information. If differences of opinion occur on any topic, participants are expected to express their views in a respectful manner. seedsavers.forumco.com/topic~TOPIC_ID~4.asp |
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Post by paquebot on Jan 7, 2008 1:17:50 GMT -5
Just can't get over laughing at how Zebraman is thumbing his nose at certain people via the SSE forum. Those certain people would love to pull the plug on him but can't as long as he keeps that big nose clean.
Zebraman/William Widder lives where he says he does but 99% of his garden doesn't exist. Getting harder to report the existance of a fantasy world with satellite technology!
For those who have ever thought that I were anyone other than Paquebot or bhpigeon2, KMA! On the SSE forum, I am wilom. That's the SSE listing code for WIsconsin, LOngseth, Martin
MARTIN
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I may as well not post there at all. I don't need the aggravation. 
