I read pages of this and still did not actually understand what the topic IS. Still I have shifted my diet due to prices in the stores and today I went to get grapes and they rang up to $21 and I said, that cannot be right , they are on sale . Nope $21 for grapes and I did not have enough money so left them there . Obviously I am going to be eating more seasonally . I just bought 4 more cages for rabbits incase I have to start raising all my own meat , I already do chickens .
So there was a drought in South America earlier this year, probably affecting grape prices as we are in off season I believe. Crop prices in general have been steadily going up with China buying large amounts of commodity grains.
the thread started with talking about local food security and what you were growing yourself kinds of things, but to me post-apocolypse implies a bit more than that in where you are pretty much forced to grow your own locally because the world has been upset enough to the point where transportation of food is more difficult and there are no more large stores, like when the zombies come. at least that has been how i've been reading it.
I agree that local food is important. I'm dabbling in seed saving too. I feel a bit more prepared with experience of maintaining a garden. There may still be problems, such as starting another physical garden from scratch; but learning to garden from scratch as a skill and experience isn't one of them.
I guess it's still 'comes back to' doing the best we can, within our resources (such as time, money, land, skills, knowledge, tools, spare parts). I have 'figured out' that I can't master all skills alone, but a whole community can do quite a lot indeed (barn raisings, for one thing). Our ancestors survived, and now so do we.
I've been reading about Bio-intensive gardening with interest, it seems to include focusing on calorie crops. However, I'm not sure it is the 'best fit' for me, since I have less spare time. I wouldn't mind planting more nut trees if I'd use them, I might plant a few willow trees to coppice or pollard for sticks though. Some things are (or can be) part of my routine lifestyle. I can keep extra cash or have an income to pay off taxes, keep a budget, stay debt-free, continue to help gather and store firewood, how to use firewood (safety 1st!), practice cooking from scratch, sweep wooden floors and beat the dirt out of rugs, hang clothes to air-dry, see where there are other local sources of drinking water, keep extra blankets and winter clothing, buy an extra set of boots and spare bootlaces. If I really want to, I could buy and store just enough manual tools to manage (I think a thick steel plate and sledgehammer for blacksmithing; hammer, saw, C-clamps, cotten rope for woodworking, etc.). I recognize that electricity and gas are convenient, but are resources that I could potentially become over-dependent on, like a crutch. I'm not sure how much work it would be to make my own paper, to make new seed envelopes. I might try new things for fun in my spare time, when I'm interested. I could work on the making the homeplace a more 'defensible space' (such as against a wildfire).
Some preparations has already smoothed some of the 'bumps in the road', so to speak. I've already used car jumper cables on my dead car battery (followed by buying a new car battery of good quality), used cash to buy food when I accidentally let my debit card expire , and used a generator when the electricity goes out. Just remember to test the generator before the coldest winter weather, you might need a new part or a simple cleaning, somehow it's less fun when you want the generator to work the most. It's also helpful to buy quality parts that are more reliable, when justified (such as a decent reliable commuter car).
I've noticed that some old tools or tasks are simply a matter of breaking the 'big' problem down into several smaller simpler problems. I 'figured this out' when I compared a 'overwhelming' car engine to a simplier bicycle, the car simply has more smaller systems and parts by comparison. Many older tools come down to simple tools (lever, wedge, axle/wheel, pulley, inclined plane/ramp, and screws). Buckets, sorting screens, and pipes are also simple yet useful. Like defensible-space (like against wild-fires), we can be aware of possible problems, but don't have to live in fear of it. We can take simple steps to reduce the risk, focusing on what we can do constructively, to improve resilience, and give us peace of mind.
It's amazing how many systems there are: farming, homesteading (with lots of manual labor), local libraries (and seed libraries?), our 'snail-mail' system, to name a few. Even if I pick one word as a priority, like resilience, a number of details 'come together', like using firewood, gardening and saving seeds, use a cellar, using a clothesline, use a 'straw' broom, always keep fresh water in the tea-kettle, have some cash in the wallet.
(I think this is called resource allocation) One approach might be to start with looking at the budget (I think heating homes in winter is one large chunk), and to go from there to make changes. For example: heating the home in winter is the biggest budget expense, so let's insulate the house and add a back-up and/or more efficient heating system. Close doors to unused rooms in the house (like in old farm houses). Then you look at the next biggest budget expense, such as food, so now you might decide to cook at home more often, mebe even garden. And so on. Never lose hope, after all we're still alive right?
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some things like collecting books that might be useful "Just in case" and doing things like studying some first-aid and home remedies which can help if things get much worse. i have a library here of discards from the reference section of our local library (we have a moron running ours now and they've gutted the reference section ). well anyways, i have books on woodworking, metalworking, college level texts on microbiology, biology, food preservation, and many many others including a lot of fiction books for keeping me busy too if things get bad and i want to read.
luckily having these books helped me a lot this past week as i had a bit of local apocalypse happen where my computer went out so i've been re-reading some old fluffy fiction from 20 or more years ago and most of them i've forgotten enough that i don't remember any details at all. so i kept myself busy (for fluffy stuff i've averaged about 600 pages a day this past week and a half) reading those while waiting for parts to get to me and the computer to get fixed again. i've not been into much tv so i rarely watch any of that. we don't even have cable tv here just a few local channels and some PBS channels. Mom watches shows on DVDs checked out from the library.
well anyways it sounds like you are doing great and thinking about good things. now it is coming into early spring and the birds are chirping and the weather is warming up. we might even see 60F/16C this week.
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I helped my parents garden because we were trying to save some money and eat when I was young , now the twist is I want my family to eat food that is unadulterated as possible with toxins and so I try to do gardens and orchard and raise some meat and also do some dairy goat too and poultry flocks for meat and eggs . I garden for my parents whom live in the closest town and for my kids who are now young adults out on their own .
I remember that old movie about soylent green is recycled people . Ewww... I do not see the world that desperate But local food , as in the backyard, is good for our environment and heaven knows mother nature can use all the help she can get against the pollution, waste and other craziness in this world with too many people competing for finite resources .
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Post by jackjohnston20 on Apr 1, 2021 4:16:43 GMT -5
Sorry for shifting the topic to apocalypses again, but who has experience with the vaccination? Interested to know. Wifey and I got our first jab last Friday. The shot itself was absolutely painless. I didn't even feel it. Much different from a flu shot. I experienced a little soreness in my arm that night for a few hours, but then nothing. Wifey developed COVID arm -- the entire arm painful to use, but it went away in a couple of days. But she still has some tenderness at the spot of the injection.
My brother got his jab the day before we did. He said he felt a little fuzzy-headed and rather sleepy that evening, but no other effect.
everything i'm seeing is that very few people have serious complications from any of the vaccines. the follow up studies of safety and efficacy are showing that the vaccines really help keep people from ending up in the hospital or dead. to me that's the most important thing.
as time goes on the new variants will be interesting to follow, but so far they are not looking to be so different from the vaccines that the vaccines are not effective at all, but the vax companies are able to adjust their products to account for the new variants. i'm not worried about that nearly as much as i am about getting sick enough to need to go to the hospital or dying. i've had a few friends and relatives end up in the hospital from bad cases and i sure don't want to go through what they did. one was 4 weeks in the ICU and the other was in for 2 weeks, both are still rather wiped out even months later. and that's not even getting into the family/friends who've been lost to us from this virus.
In my state well less than 20% of people have been vaccinated. Our infection rate has started to climb again. I haven't seen anything about how the variants are involved but suspect they are playing a role. Our governor has responded by removing the mask mandate as well as the occupancy and gathering restrictions. During their press conferences our state health officer looks like she is being held hostage.
Nothing ruins a neighborhood like paved roads and water lines.
diversity has been, in this case, a multi-edged sword... it is really too bad though that many of the innocent and vulnerable have been the victims of what i consider very uncivil behavior. the lack of decent leadership certainly had a role in this too and the deaths of many are on his head IMO. sorry, this topic can really get me P.O.'ed... *sigh*
and reed i think we are all being held hostage these days by the results of such uncivil behaviors and bad leadership. it's a tragedy and it has given me a lot to think about. i've generally been a pretty easy-going person who's very willing to live-and-let-live, but the past year and a half or so has made me rethink more and to pull in to a more self-contained view of the world. also to pick friends more carefully.
someone came over to visit a few weeks ago, came walking in the house without asking if we minded or if they should wear a mask or anything. this person has annoyed me in the past so i just asked them if they had their vaccine yet and then came in my room and closed the door. they wear a lot of perfume and that really bothers me. they do a lot of running around, casinos and stuff, my elderly parent here does not want the vaccine, it's frustrating. anyways, after she left i had to air the house out twice to get rid of the smell. at least in the summer when she vists they can sit outside.
MI has been over 6000 new cases (detected) a day now for the past few days in a row so this is going quick. grr...
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