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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Dec 26, 2017 11:15:58 GMT -5
philagardener, good questions. I kinda like the 4x4 html square. I thought media wiki had blocked html content by default so i'm a little surprised to see it work. Maybe there are multiple ways in "wiki code" to do a picture square or grid like that? www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:TablesGood point about changing all of the content to generic info. Yeah, we can do that. I don't think there is an easy way to move-copy the page, so i think editing the page source and copy and pasting it is the only way i know of at this point. So yeah, changing all of the info to generic might be important if that is the case.. i didn't think of that... www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Adding_HTML_to_wiki_pagesedit: okay i edited the page a little to be more generic if copied and pasted. I also reorganized the trait list a little and added a little info line about it. edit#2: hmm.. the html might be able to work because i was tinkering with the settings to get html code to work to show a paypal donate button. I can't remember. I don't think i changed any html settings from default, but i don't know. Whatever, it seems to work. But don't expect all html code to work, because it might not. maybe the tables is one of the few html things allowed. whenever there is something i don't know how to do on the wiki i turn to the mediawiki help topics and usually can find help on how to do what i want. That is how i figured out how to manipulate image size or add a caption, etc.
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Dec 26, 2017 11:52:35 GMT -5
Is there any interest in also expanding the wiki site at some point to more than just a pea database?
I thought people like Joseph and others and even myself can create pages for other useful plant breeding info or whatever. Like a page about Landrace Breeding Techniques or a page about using Growing Degree Days as a possible alternative to days-to-maturity and how to get that info and how to mine local weather station data for graphing, etc.
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Dec 26, 2017 12:42:47 GMT -5
i just realized that tatiana's tomato base is actually a wiki. I didn't notice that before. Maybe we can get ideas from her wiki. I know she includes photos of tomatoes from different people's gardens so we have that in common. Maybe we can learn some tricks about good wiki formatting by emulating some of her wiki. tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Tatiana%27s_TOMATObase_-_Heritage_Tomatoes |
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Post by philagardener on Dec 26, 2017 14:52:39 GMT -5
Is there any interest in also expanding the wiki site at some point to more than just a pea database? I thought people like Joseph and others and even myself can create pages for other useful plant breeding info or whatever. Like a page about Landrace Breeding Techniques or a page about using Growing Degree Days as a possible alternative to days-to-maturity and how to get that info and how to mine local weather station data for graphing, etc. Tatiana runs her own server that hosts her wiki. It has occasionally gone off line when they have power issues, and folks get concerned. I guess the questions with expanding any of these sites is stability of the platform, governance, image storage, backing up info, etc. All the sorts of things that keep coming up about this site and ensuring its long-term existence. Actually, a series of open source, smaller wikis with small groups of passionate individuals sharing control might be a robust platform overall. Hard to know . . . |
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Dec 27, 2017 15:38:02 GMT -5
philagardener and ethin or oxbowfarm or whomever... uploaded some sugar magnolia photos. Busy today so wont get to them right away. Put a link to them for you on the Sugar Magnolia page if you happen to get to them before me...
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Post by philagardener on Dec 27, 2017 19:26:15 GMT -5
philagardener and ethin or oxbowfarm or whomever... uploaded some sugar magnolia photos. Busy today so wont get to them right away. Put a link to them for you on the Sugar Magnolia page if you happen to get to them before me... OK - gave it a shot. How do you want to add image attributions for pictures you downloaded from commercial sources? |
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Dec 28, 2017 2:55:05 GMT -5
OK - gave it a shot. How do you want to add image attributions for pictures you downloaded from commercial sources? Cool. Looks pretty good so far. Good question. I asked Alan Kapuler directly if he had any photos and he basically directed me to those websites and though i'm paraphrasing, he said to basically take what pictures of Sugar Magnolia i wanted from Baker Creek and other companies websites since Sugar Magnolia is a public domain variety. I guess he feels like this also applies to photos of it that are not explicitly watermarked?? I honestly have no idea. Some people may or may not have issue with that approach, but in this case it works for me. I try to give attribution and credit wherever possible, especially if i am ripping other peoples photos. But personally i really don't give two sh*** about people getting butthurt from me using their photos without permission. If i have used other peoples photos and they object in some way i am willing to work with them though. I remember using one of Soren's pea photos on my blog and i forgot to give him credit, so he asked me to. I did my best to concede to his request. Having said that though, it would be best if most of the photos used here from now on are public domain photos and/or uploaded by the person who took the photo. When uploading a photo, credit can be included in the comment section. I'm not sure if this credit/comment can be added post uploading. Though i suppose the photo could be deleted and re-uploaded with one. I still need to look through my old photos. I'm sure i have my own Sugar Magnolia photos i can use. |
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Dec 28, 2017 3:02:24 GMT -5
Is there any interest in also expanding the wiki site at some point to more than just a pea database? I thought people like Joseph and others and even myself can create pages for other useful plant breeding info or whatever. Like a page about Landrace Breeding Techniques or a page about using Growing Degree Days as a possible alternative to days-to-maturity and how to get that info and how to mine local weather station data for graphing, etc. Tatiana runs her own server that hosts her wiki. It has occasionally gone off line when they have power issues, and folks get concerned. I guess the questions with expanding any of these sites is stability of the platform, governance, image storage, backing up info, etc. All the sorts of things that keep coming up about this site and ensuring its long-term existence. Actually, a series of open source, smaller wikis with small groups of passionate individuals sharing control might be a robust platform overall. Hard to know . . . true. true. Good point. I had my old website hosted by me on my own server. It worked, but it went offline all the time. Not very ideal or easy to maintain, but a lot cheaper. True true. Those points and topics do keep coming up about HG as well. hard to know. I was just asking if there was interest. But i guess your answer basically is saying that interest varies with how robust and stable it is. Fair enough. The Pea database is sort of an experiment right now anyway. |
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Post by philagardener on Dec 28, 2017 8:31:31 GMT -5
Good question. I asked Alan Kapuler directly if he had any photos and he basically directed me to those websites and though i'm paraphrasing, he said to basically take what pictures of Sugar Magnolia i wanted from Baker Creek and other companies websites since Sugar Magnolia is a public domain variety. I guess he feels like this also applies to photos of it that are not explicitly watermarked?? I honestly have no idea. Some people may or may not have issue with that approach, but in this case it works for me. I try to give attribution and credit wherever possible, especially if i am ripping other peoples photos. But personally i really don't give two sh*** about people getting butthurt from me using their photos without permission. If i have used other peoples photos and they object in some way i am willing to work with them though. I remember using one of Soren's pea photos on my blog and i forgot to give him credit, so he asked me to. I did my best to concede to his request. Having said that though, it would be best if most of the photos used here from now on are public domain photos and/or uploaded by the person who took the photo. When uploading a photo, credit can be included in the comment section. I'm not sure if this credit/comment can be added post uploading. Though i suppose the photo could be deleted and re-uploaded with one. I still need to look through my old photos. I'm sure i have my own Sugar Magnolia photos i can use. Open source breeders, including Alan, have been extremely generous in sharing freely their knowledge, material and varieties but the companies selling Sugar Magnolia have a different business model (with which some may or may not agree); there are legal issues that come up when reusing copyrighted material from seed catalogs and websites, particularly without formal permission. Those can be avoided (or at least minimized) by using public domain material and/or having folks contribute their own material. While that may get things off to a bit slower start, I for one am quite willing to take more photos of varieties as I grow them out. Once placeholders are there it becomes easy to contribute. Doing this from the start is the way to go, in my opinion. |
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Dec 28, 2017 10:57:41 GMT -5
I for one am quite willing to take more photos of varieties as I grow them out. Once placeholders are there it becomes easy to contribute. Doing this from the start is the way to go, in my opinion. I agree. I'm willing to overlook it for Sugar Magnolia this time given Alan's supposed permission (which is probably on shakey ground) and the variety's lack of lockdown. If someone gets mad and i have to eat crow for it then I'll eat the crow. But i would like to avoid the murky grey area as much as possible and don't want to do that from now on. |
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Jan 5, 2018 17:32:15 GMT -5
I added a page for pea genetics info like for gene lists, etc. and a page for pea crossing tips and techniques. Not much info on them yet though.
i think i would like to do a separate page thing on the wiki for tomato breeding and have the sort of information found in the various blogs on the internet and forums, and websites. Like frogsleap farm blog, the-biologist-is-in, wild boar farms, tgrc, etc. With nice color photos would be nice, but the tomato-only people are anal about their photos and supposed copyright. So i'm not going to even attempt borrowing tomato photos without permission.
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Post by poorboy on Jan 8, 2018 12:47:52 GMT -5
I'd like to help. I do some web design, mostly with wordpress. I can set something up to improve the layout and navigation compared to a wiki and also make it easy for anyone to contribute. Input would be simply filling in a form. Some of it can be done as a choice from a drop down list. The layout would be done behind the scenes by a template so that people won't have to worry about that and won't have to know or learn wiki syntax. Wikimedia(the software behind most wikis) does what it does well but lacks a lot in the way of features and user input by the masses. andrew -- This is the same poorboy who messaged you on permies. I have a wordpress site I can set this up on for testing and feedback. The content could easily be transferred to another wordpress site or it could remain and would be for all. My hosting is paid for by my two clients so the only cost is the cost of the domain which is nothing. I've had the domain/site for 3 years now but haven't really done anything with it so I don't mind donating it so to speak. I just like building websites during winter when it's too cold to do anything outdoors. I can make them for myself but they never seem to get filled up with much content so I've always wanted to be involved in some sort of community project. I've been on permies for several years but this is my first post here so I certainly haven't earned any trust here. I'm not looking to profit off of others or steal data or labor. I'll be happy to give someone full access including a full copy of the site using something like the 'duplicator' wordpress plugin. This can be done on a regular basis and is also just good practice. If one person controls the content of a website and suddenly up and dies, that content is most likely lost. John permasteader.com/ |
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Jan 8, 2018 13:53:47 GMT -5
I'd like to help. I do some web design, mostly with wordpress. I can set something up to improve the layout and navigation compared to a wiki and also make it easy for anyone to contribute. Input would be simply filling in a form. Some of it can be done as a choice from a drop down list. The layout would be done behind the scenes by a template so that people won't have to worry about that and won't have to know or learn wiki syntax. Wikimedia(the software behind most wikis) does what it does well but lacks a lot in the way of features and user input by the masses. andrew -- This is the same poorboy who messaged you on permies. I have a wordpress site I can set this up on for testing and feedback. The content could easily be transferred to another wordpress site or it could remain and would be for all. My hosting is paid for by my two clients so the only cost is the cost of the domain which is nothing. I've had the domain/site for 3 years now but haven't really done anything with it so I don't mind donating it so to speak. I just like building websites during winter when it's too cold to do anything outdoors. I can make them for myself but they never seem to get filled up with much content so I've always wanted to be involved in some sort of community project. I've been on permies for several years but this is my first post here so I certainly haven't earned any trust here. I'm not looking to profit off of others or steal data or labor. I'll be happy to give someone full access including a full copy of the site using something like the 'duplicator' wordpress plugin. This can be done on a regular basis and is also just good practice. If one person controls the content of a website and suddenly up and dies, that content is most likely lost. John permasteader.com/Cool! Thanks for the help John! Looking forward to seeing what you come up with. Wordpress is very versatile, i just don't know how to use it fully for a website. |
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Post by poorboy on Jan 8, 2018 21:47:05 GMT -5
Cool! Thanks for the help John! Looking forward to seeing what you come up with. Wordpress is very versatile, i just don't know how to use it fully for a website. PM sent to you and three others. Tomorrow it will be 45 degrees here and warmer for a couple of days after that. Then it's going to probably snow and drop down below freezing, at which point, I'll be indoors keeping the home fire burnin and be on the PC. |
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Jan 10, 2018 22:53:02 GMT -5
poorboy check out the pea flower Day just posted in the other thread! What a coincidence since we were just talkng about pea flowers and what to include on the website with the test wordpress page system which might replace the wiki format.
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