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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Jan 10, 2018 22:55:46 GMT -5
p.s. just heard back from the guy who runs wild boar farms and breeds all those fancy striped tomatoes. Said he was interested to help on the tomato stuff. Not sure where or how that all is going to go, but something to keep in mind. I like the tomato stuff. Not trying or intending to include every tomato variety like with the peas or like tatianas wiki, in fact most of those varieties are not very interesting. Plus she's already tackled that. But might be cool to have special or unique modern bred tomatoes with unique genetic traits and have information about those genetic traits and how they work. Something to keep in mind. I'll see if i can direct him to this forum where he can chime in. poorboy, the test site you linked to in the PM is looking good for a start. Might be good to post periodic info here for anyone else interested. With the new wordpress Fabaceae tag i realized it would be easy to branch off into beans if anyone on this forum wanted to do that. Which there is a fair chance someone would. |
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Post by poorboy on Jan 11, 2018 1:30:57 GMT -5
Wow, that's like a rose red.
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Post by poorboy on Jan 12, 2018 16:29:35 GMT -5
p.s. just heard back from the guy who runs wild boar farms and breeds all those fancy striped tomatoes. Said he was interested to help on the tomato stuff. Not sure where or how that all is going to go, but something to keep in mind. I like the tomato stuff. Not trying or intending to include every tomato variety like with the peas or like tatianas wiki, in fact most of those varieties are not very interesting. Plus she's already tackled that. But might be cool to have special or unique modern bred tomatoes with unique genetic traits and have information about those genetic traits and how they work. Something to keep in mind. I'll see if i can direct him to this forum where he can chime in. poorboy , the test site you linked to in the PM is looking good for a start. Might be good to post periodic info here for anyone else interested. With the new wordpress Fabaceae tag i realized it would be easy to branch off into beans if anyone on this forum wanted to do that. Which there is a fair chance someone would. I activated WordPress Multisite and copied all the Pea content to a new Peas subsite at permasteader.com/peas/Subsequent subjects/sites can be something like permasteader.com/tomatoes/. Likewise with beans. If fabaceae was to be a collaborative effort that covered both peas and beans, then the peas site could be renamed to suit. Multisite is a network of subsites and has some benefits. Each subsite can have it’s own content, theme, set of users, menus, widgets and it’s own database. They also get their own media folder which will prevent having to search through 1000s of images. Now that I've created one subsite, I can make an identical site of a different name with the click of a button. It will have the same themes, plugins and settings but no content. The only thing that will have to be done then is to modify the custom post type with different fields and rename it to tomato or whatever. Here's the new registration page for peas permasteader.com/peas/wp-login.php?action=registerWhen you first register, all you can do is comment on articles. If anyone wants to make pea entries or post pea articles, just shoot me a PM or use the contact form on the site and I'll up your capabilities. I don't have the New Site Registration page active yet. If someone wants a subsite set up just let me know. It can really be anything related to homesteading, permaculture, living off grid, animals, gardening etc as that's what the site was for. Like I said, I managed to write three whole articles in three years. Might as well become a collaboration/collection. If you run a subsite as admin, you can export and/or delete the content at any time. I've got some wordpress documentation on another site that shows up on the dashboard page. I'll pull that over. I'll also throw something together for making pea entries since that's a little different than standard wordpress posts/pages. andrew -- PM me your email address and I'll add you to the pea subsite as admin. I think the fields are done enough to start making entries. Navigation gets updated automatically for pea entries via the sitemap or the various filters. The filters get populated when taxonomies are selected while making entries. The filters look a little sparse right now with 6 duplicate sugar magnolia entries. Edited to Add: Hold off on making entries. The pea custom post types didn't carry over properly when I cloned the subsite and I'm having problems with the sortable tables. It seems it can only handle the most basic of fields, plain text, image and numbers but not a range of numbers.
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Post by poorboy on Jan 13, 2018 22:03:26 GMT -5
I glanced at JIC the other day but looked at all those links today. Their flower colors are something typed in manually and probably by different people by the looks of it. The results for color mainly seem to be in the description field of the individual entries. I'm thinking 'description' changes depending of filter/search criteria. Some of those color descriptions are; Definitely wasn't a predefined set of colors to choose from. I saw one that said purplish.  Still, people are going to want to search/filter by color I would think and that only works well when there's a predefined set of colors. (or any other criteria/characteristics) The Description, which is the full wysiwyg editor, can and should have the individual's observations like that and also, a picture is worth 1000 words as they say. Meanwhile, we can still have predefined colors. They can be used for the predominate color other than white for flowers and green for pods and other plant parts. I dealt with colors in the sign business so I can come up with a preliminary list that will get close. The rest can go in the description. Here's a quote from wikipedia regarding Mauve. Color is kind of a subjective thing based on different people's knowledge of and experience with colors. If we can get people making entries to generalize slightly for the fields and inform people to generalize when searching and/or give them a set of colors to choose from when filtering, I think it will work out pretty well. It will also help for other plants on other sites/subsites. |
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Post by poorboy on Jan 14, 2018 18:19:01 GMT -5
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Jan 16, 2018 22:14:30 GMT -5
poorboyThe peas sub page looks distorted on my phone. I thought it was Firefox so switched back to chrome. Nor. Both are distorted. Stretched long and no photos viewable. Anyone else seeing weird stuff on John's wordpress site on a mobile phone?
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Post by poorboy on Jan 17, 2018 22:00:29 GMT -5
I think I see what you mean. On the Browse Peas page aka Archive here permasteader.com/peas/fabaceae/I just changed the layout from three per row to one per row which took care of it on my phone. Regular wordpress posts go one per row with this theme. The custom pea posts can be set for 1, 2, 3 or 4 per row in a grid/columns. I had it set for 3 but it's up to you how you want it. The plugin developer should have made it so that 3 rows convert to 1 on smaller devices. It's based on screen size and all websites should be responsive like that these days but I guess whoever does the styling didn't quite get it right. I'll search the support forums and see if there's a fix for it and email support if I don't find anything. If all else fails, I'll fix it, it's not a free plugin and I have other sites I want to use it on. |
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Post by ferdzy on Jan 21, 2018 11:00:01 GMT -5
Okay, I have photographed my seeds and have about 2 dozen. Now what?
I have read through this thread but am still confused about how and where to upload photos.
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Jan 23, 2018 18:30:56 GMT -5
Okay, I have photographed my seeds and have about 2 dozen. Now what? I have read through this thread but am still confused about how and where to upload photos. Well, for now why don't you just upload them to the wiki. That may be one advantage to a wiki, i don't need to create an account for you, you can just create one yourself and upload some pictures. I'm not sure wordpress has that option as i think you need to get an account from whomever is running the website first. In that case wordpress may not be the best option for ease of use in that sense for a project like this. Hard to say at this point. biolumo.com/index.php?title=Special:Uploadbiolumo.com/index.php?title=Special:UnusedFiles |
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Post by poorboy on Jan 28, 2018 13:41:13 GMT -5
Okay, I have photographed my seeds and have about 2 dozen. Now what? I have read through this thread but am still confused about how and where to upload photos. Well, for now why don't you just upload them to the wiki. That may be one advantage to a wiki, i don't need to create an account for you, you can just create one yourself and upload some pictures. I'm not sure wordpress has that option as i think you need to get an account from whomever is running the website first. In that case wordpress may not be the best option for ease of use in that sense for a project like this. Hard to say at this point. biolumo.com/index.php?title=Special:Uploadbiolumo.com/index.php?title=Special:UnusedFilesSorry, I guess I'm not getting notifications on this thread. New to proboards. I just subscribed to the fabaceae forum with instant notifications on everything. ferdzy is already registered here permasteader.com/peas/ I just upgraded you from Subscriber to Author. I missed the fact that you had registered. Just got things pretty much wrapped up with the wordpress site(s) yesterday. Initially at least. Anything else will be based on feedback from here. I say site(s) because I made a full, stand-alone copy for Andrew as I said I would. I'll make a page on the site, explaining how to do things. Right now, the pea stuff can be added in the admin area aka backend or from the front end, using forms. If you do things from the front end, it limits you to only being able to see what you add. In the backend, you can see everyone else's stuff. The backend is the more collaborative area with revision notes, general notes, ability to edit any pea entry etc. The front end forms make accessible and easy for the non tech savvy to contribute. If you're just adding pics, the quick method is the front end Upload Pics form. Someone else can attach it to the proper pea entry.  Just use the pea variety name for the Title(Sugar Magnolia etc), Caption for caption(that will show in image galleries) and use Post Content for a description. You have to do one at a time for now on this front end form. I'll try to make it so multiple pics can be uploaded at once, while still being able to add caption/description. You'll have to be logged in regardless of whether you're using front end forms or working in the backend. Like I said, I'll make a page on the site with how to info. Maybe two pages, one for front end forms and one for backend. I did make one screencast for adding a pea entry from the backend but I need to update it. I'll make more of them for doing other things. Can't do the vids today but I'll do some how to stuff and put in the menu under Reference. Meanwhile, anyone who's registered, feel free to check things out. Check out the Fabaceae menu item in the backend. That's the pea entries.(submenu items are All Fabaceae & Add New) Once you're logged in, just click Peas Home in the top left corner, on the black bar. That toggles you between the front end and backend. All the front end forms are under Contributors. I put popups in the backend for sort of a tour/tips. Front end, Backed, either way, it's just forms to fill in. Not too much different from making a forum post here. The form's are just longer.  If anyone has questions, there's a chat/messaging/announcement system here, permasteader.com/peas/chat/?fepaction=directoryI'll be working outdoors for the rest of the afternoon but I'll be back online by 5:30 central time. Let me see if I can make that Upload Pic form accept multiple images real quick. Will post back here if so. |
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Post by poorboy on Jan 28, 2018 14:07:21 GMT -5
no quick luck with the upload pic form. Will do it later, tonight. I need to shorten and simplify this page but it explains the workings and features of the site. permasteader.com/peas/site-information/Might be a bigger help than the info in this forum thread as some of it's changed and with this thread, what little info there is, is scattered about. I added a lot of things to make it more wiki like, yet it's still wordpress which has a lot more features, style, eye candy etc. I need to shorten this also, 11:00 minute video of me adding a pea entry. permasteader.com/peas/2018/01/16/how-to-add-peas-to-site/The entry form looks a little different now, cleaner, but all the pertinent fields are the same. Some became checkboxes, for colors instead of typing them in etc. Makes things more searchable/filterable if they're standard. I can add more colors or any other fields if needed. |
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Post by ferdzy on Jan 29, 2018 8:04:15 GMT -5
Thanks for all the info. I just got back from a week away dealing with family stuff so I'm not sure when I will have time to sit down and wrestle with this. Sometime this week, I hope.
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Post by poorboy on Jan 29, 2018 20:02:17 GMT -5
Thanks for all the info. I just got back from a week away dealing with family stuff so I'm not sure when I will have time to sit down and wrestle with this. Sometime this week, I hope. I found a better front end image uploader. Link to the upload page - permasteader.com/peas/up/Just use the pea variety name for the Title - Title can all be the same and Andrew will know where to attach them later. |
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Post by poorboy on Jan 30, 2018 15:42:06 GMT -5
This is for everyone that's registered or ends up registering. A copy of that video from the previous post is here -- permasteader.com/peas/contributors/ -- along with some quick how to info for people not using the backend admin area, which will be most people. All the forms/pages you'll use are under the Contributors main menu item as so;  Contributors -------------------- (the link above) ---- Upload Pics --------------- (must be logged in - pic upload form and below that, any prior uploads will show - can also delete them in case you uploaded wrong pic(s) accidentally) ---- Fabaceae Entry Form -- (must be logged in - pea entry form) ---- My Pea Entries ----------- (must be logged in - shows all previous pea entries made by you) ---- Register -------------------- (not visible if you're logged in) ---- Profile ----------------------- (not visible unless you're logged in) -------- Password Reset ----- (not visible unless you're logged in) -------- Members --------------- (not visible unless you're logged in - list of members) -------- Edit Profile ------------- (not visible unless you're logged in) After seeing some posts here regarding this project and the wiki, I knew that front end forms was the way to go. I've been using wordpress and similar things for so long, I forget how confusing they once were to me. I think I'm done with all the contributor stuff. Only thing left to do is a little help type page for visitors to tell them how to find stuff and some help docs for admins, editors and authors.
Adding: I went back and cleaned up my posts on this thread and removed anything that no longer applies or has changed. All should be good now. |
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Post by keen101 (Biolumo / Andrew B.) on Feb 17, 2019 23:32:28 GMT -5
A quick update on this. John was able to help me restore the wiki text information. I have backups of the photos. I have decided that at least for now i will be restoring the pea database collaboration project on the openwetware wiki as it already has antispam features in place and has a motto of "share your science". Though it was probably not meant for plant breeding, i figure it is still science in a way and therefore will not be deleted. In fact the old original page was still there unchanged. I will plan on making backups to my website, which may or may not be in plain static html, but as of now this one will be the main wiki. Now on to restore what few pea pages i have... openwetware.org/wiki/Pea_Database_Collaboration_Project |
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Still, people are going to want to search/filter by color I would think and that only works well when there's a predefined set of colors. (or any other criteria/characteristics) The Description, which is the full wysiwyg editor, can and should have the individual's observations like that and also, a picture is worth 1000 words as they say. Meanwhile, we can still have predefined colors. They can be used for the predominate color other than white for flowers and green for pods and other plant parts. I dealt with colors in the sign business so I can come up with a preliminary list that will get close. The rest can go in the description. 
